Posted on 01/29/2008 1:43:23 PM PST by icwhatudo
Did not see it posted yet, here we go folks!
That still doesn't mean that he is right about everything.
Posted by Jim Robinson to counterpunch
On News/Activism 01/29/2008 11:48:38 PM EST · 58 of 105
As soon as Romney falls down on his knees on national TV in front of God and everyone; and repents and begs for forgiveness for all the innocent young lives that were murdered in the womb on his watch after he ran on the pro-abortion platform, then I will consider it. If the man had any integrity at all, he’d resign and spend the rest of his life and the rest of his money trying to undo some of the wrong he’s done. But not as president. That office is reserved for honest men of the highest character and integrity.
You can look even look it up yourself. Sorry if I burst your bubble.
Jim says a lot of things.
If Obama, or even Hillary, loses to McCain, it won't be long before people here wish they hadn't. McCain in the White House would give the liberals far more power than they have ever had in history.
Fred Thompson has a 100% pro-life record. I have no doubts about his moral charater.
Here’s Romney in his own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFMdK0TWtks
Well being that Florida is a winner take all state , and the Huckster didn’t have a chance , i’ll let you guess as to who I turned out the vote for .
I worked hard today , in fact very hard . Between my business and getting my voters to the polls , I’m exhausted and dismayed that McPain actually won . Never thought i’d see the day .
The Huckster has done immense damage on McPain’s behalf . Maybe McPain thinks he can win without the base , even McPain’s mom knows better .....
But wait...with Rudy dropping out tomorrow, that will leave McCain and Romney as the two frontrunners...
As i said earlier, if it were not for Guiliani, Romney would have won over McCain tonight...With Rudy out of the running, Romney has a clear shot at winning bigtime on Super Tuesday...
Then it may shape up to be a Romney/McCain ticket..If McCain doesn’t like that Romney will pick another good man...
I will, thank you.
I don’t like McCain either, but I trust my husband. I just wish he had a little time to follow politics, especially now.
I don’t think he’ll win either. But the thought of Hillary in the White House.......(gag)
Romney savaged Thompson before he got into the race , and Huckster chipped away at Thompson’s support with the Evangelical’s blessings .
Hillary and McPain , what a choice .... Dear Amnesty , it appears we are ready for you afterall ....
I'd suggest posting such comments with links that actually work. I think the thread was 'Romney Truth File' or somesuch.
This is the kind of crap that makes conservatives look like blithering idiots.
You want to start calling people with 30+ years in the pro-life movement "pro-abortion" because they understand the realities of the situation, and what it will take to end the slaughter? Go ahead, but you only make yourself a fool.
Mitt Romney is not pro-choice. But you know that Rudy IS pro-choice, and there were pro-life people ENDORSING him, so your wild claim about what "pro-life" people will do is without foundation.
Mitt Romney is a latecomer to the pro-life movement, but he is pro-life. You could say you don't TRUST him, but it is simply false to label him as not pro-life at this point.
Those of us who have fought abortion since we were kids know that we need at least one, and maybe two, more judges before we can do ANYTHING to stop the slaughter.
Ignorant pro-lifers who seem to think this is some game or some political purity test could well have cost us the judges we needed.
The only reason that doesn't make me despair is that God is in control, even of the idiots who cut off their noses to spite their faces.
As to your other ignorant comments about gays, the conservative movement is not about being anti-gay. It is about not giving gays or other "lifestyle minorities" special treatment, or damaging the basic foundations of society.
Government has never been about enforcing moral codes. Further, I'll believe that the anti-gay advocates here are truly just worried about our moral teachings when I see them push to kick adulterers and fornicators and those who visit prostitutes out of the military, and ban people who cheat on their wives or live with a woman outside of marriage from participating in the boy scouts.
Until then, the idea that I should cow-tow to people who are "afraid" that some guy is looking at them in a shower is absurd. I am quite comfortable with both my own sexuality, my own security, and my own relationship with the creator to not worry about what some pervert is doing.
Apparently, the common-sense command to "hate the sin, love the sinner" has been lost on a few vocal people in our conservative movement.
Meanwhile, Huckabee, our most "anti-gay" candidate, still sees fit to have relationship with some gay people, even having one on his campaign.
I never supported Romney because he was the most conservative, or even because I trusted him completely on anything. It was a simple practical decision -- Romney ADOPTED my point of view on a host of issues, and was electable, or at least looked electable.
Frankly, if Romney can't get 50% of republicans, he's not as electable as I had hoped. He's more electable than Fred THompson, but I had hoped Fred would be electable and he turned out not to be.
So the purists who now speak of purging and absolutism never offered us any other choice. The darling of conservatives, Duncan Hunter, says that Huckabee is the man we should support. The other darling of conservatives, Tancredo, says Romney. Thompson hasn't said, but he would probably be voting for McCain, and Giuliani certainly is.
So I'm tired of purists who had no viable candidate, who can't get anybody who is acceptable to them to run and get votes, telling the rest of us that "conservatives" wont' accept this or that. Romney was not beaten by "conservatives" who picked a more conservative person.
Romney was beaten in a race with McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee.
And McCain got the most votes. Someone that nobody around here is calling a solid conservative. Someone who is RUNNING on a moderate platform.
So don't tell me what "conservatives" will accept. We have a republican party, and it's looking like Romney was TOO CONSERVATIVE for it.
I think that's wishful thinking. I believe that the Giuliani voters would have, at best, split 60-40 for McCain. A lot of them, in the exit polls, were in groups that went strongly for McCain.
Thanks. I’m obviously dissappointed because I hoped that since Fred couldn’t win, the conservatives would vote for Romney, and it would be enough.
Unlike a lot of people around here, I’d rather not have Hillary as president, or Obama. That’s a “lesson” I don’t want to have to learn or teach.
I think that the vast numbers of Republicans, especially those that don’t call themselves Conservative with a capital c, looked at McCain and Romney and decided that (due to the media glorification as much as anything else) McCain was the more “Republican.” Besides, he had to wait for Bush and now it’s “his turn.” Sometimes I don’t think the Republican “Great Unwashed Masses” can think any more than the Democrat sheep.
Thanks, that’s the way I feel too. Anyone but Hillary or Obama or Edwards. We were completely screwed this time imo. I don’t like McCain at all but if the Military supports him, I’ll give him another shot. I know my military family doesn’t but they’re not always right either.
I don’t think McCain can beat Hillary or any dem nom and that really worries me. He may be our nom but he’ll lose type of thing. I don’t like or trust him. But if the current military trusts him, I have to give him a shot.
I don't think he would win, but that's not what worries me. What worries me is the slim but non-trivial possibility that he might.
It’s nice to have a higher moral code. But lately I’ve seen far to many conservatives spending all their moral outrage attacking other conservatives over which flawed candidate they have decided to support.
I never imagined the day that I would be called pro-abortion. Well, that’s not true, because since I don’t oppose contraception I knew there were some that would say I wasn’t sufficient, and since I didn’t dislike destroying embryos enough to fight to end in-vitro fertilization, or to oppose the plan-b drug, I wasn’t winning any 100% points.
But i’ve been picketing abortion clinics since before some people here were born. I’ve been giving to pro-life causes. My church is heavily involved in the pro-life women’s clinic movement. I’ve even had a column of mine published on pro-life web sites, and I think one of my quotes is still headlines on a pro-life site.
So if I decide that of our flawed candidates, I trust Mitt Romney (in no small part because he’s smart and can figure the truth, and his faith already pushes him to the pro-life cause), I am certainly open to attacks for being wrong, or for faulty reasoning, but find it tiresome to be called “pro-abortion”, or “liberal” (another label that would come as a laugh to those who know me around here).
I do think politics has become course, but I think part of that is our own tendency to to radicalize our points of view.
For example, and maybe I’m living dangerously but it’s a great example of my point, there are those who truly don’t believe Romney has converted. That’s fine, heck you can even think that people who are pro-life could switch once money and power are thrown at them.
But to insist that in this one instance a single man is personally responsible for millions of deaths simply because he bought into the conventional wisdom that in the end women had a “right” to “choose” what to do with their bodies, because that person did not truly believe a fetus was a “person” until some age was passed, is a truly radical notion — one that makes it impossible to come to any discussion or agreement. Of course, that’s not the goal, “no compromise” being the call.
But what is the goal? Is the goal to end abortion, or to make people grovel and beg forgiveness while another million babies die?
We had a rule in the pro-life movement. If you could save one life, that was one fewer abortion. Sure, a million were dying, but still saving one life was important.
But now we have the chance for example to say all but 50,000 lives a year (by electing someone who would support rape and incest exceptions), and instead of embracing the chance to save lives, we want to destroy the person for past infidelity.
My view is different. I believe in being faithful in my own life, being pure to principle, NOT to compromise on my own views or faith. But NOT to enforce some rigid adherance to MY point of view among all those I would elect. Would I prefer a perfect candidate — certainly. But I don’t see any running. Everything is compromise, when it comes to politics.
But more and more, and I blame the internet, we have played division politics. We would rather fight for 100% and lose, than get 80% and come back to fight for the other 20% next year.
And in our fight for the 100%, we end up with nothing, and the people who wanted 50% elect moderates, having given up on the conservatives who are so stubborn as to make any progress toward the goal impossible.
It’s like never getting to where you are going, because you want to be there NOW, and driving won’t get you there until tomorrow. So instead peple moan about how stupid it is that it takes a day to travel, and end up right were they began.
In that sense, McCain might be a godsend. I’ll hate his politics, but he does grasp the need to NOT make every policy difference into a struggle for the eternal good and evil.
Well, not McCain. He seems vindictive and precisely the type that would make things into a struggle of good and evil, but in a bad way.
Oh well.
I’m writing in Petronski, just so I can see you label yourself an epic fail.
Let’s see how pro family Fred is should he endorese McCain
McCain’s vote on gay marriage could strain GOP relationships
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0417AZinDC0417.html
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