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The Death of Conservatism? - 43 Mistakes and the GOP's Dobson's Choice
Sideshow Bob | January 29, 2008 | Sideshow Bob

Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob

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To: Sideshow Bob
So now Lynyrd Skynyrd = all southerners?

You really don't know, do you? How embarrassing for you. Bein' a Western man, I would not technically be an authority. I'll leave it to Theophilus to clue you in, if he so desires.

441 posted on 01/30/2008 4:22:43 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1; Theophilus

Oops, PING to #441


442 posted on 01/30/2008 4:24:33 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
What I know is that you and the rest of the Dobson Truthers offer nothing more than sweeping generalizations on:

1) what all evangelicals believe
2) what all Christinas believe
3) what all conservatives believe
4) what all southerners believe

Thanks, this has been fun navigating through your pretzel logic.

443 posted on 01/30/2008 4:29:32 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: Sideshow Bob
What I know is that you and the rest of the Dobson Truthers offer nothing more than sweeping generalizations on: [ETC]

The folly in your remarks is that the predictions offered days into Thompson's campaign have come true, and to a "T". The numbers lay the facts bare.

Your intemperate bleating would be well served by some education before attempting to provide analysis.

You've a bit of luck in that regard. Your ignorance can be overcome, or at least one could hope.

444 posted on 01/30/2008 4:48:16 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
You've a bit of luck in that regard. Your ignorance can be overcome, or at least one could hope.

Well, now I'm insulted. Lectured on ignorance by a Keyes supporter!

445 posted on 01/30/2008 4:52:47 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: Sideshow Bob
Well, now I'm insulted. Lectured on ignorance by a Keyes supporter!

Your repeated barbs lead me to ask, what paragon of conservatism are you supporting? It's alright if you don't want to answer... Any candidate other than Keyes might be a source of embarrassment, and I can understand that.

446 posted on 01/30/2008 5:17:09 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
what paragon of conservatism are you supporting?

Um...hello?!!

Remember, my original vanity was a lament that there isn't one right now.

Y'know...we've sort of been talking about that whole Dobson's Choice thing...

...sticking conservatives with the unsavory choice of Mitt Romney (Bush-lite) or (shudder) Juan McCain. Does that ring any bells?

Just so you're clear on this. I'll tell you that I could reluctantly hold my nose and vote for Romney.

I distrust Mitt only slightly less than Huckabee on their flip-flopped conservative issue conversions, but believe Mitt does have a remote chance of winning in November. Every other GOP candidate will get smoked by Hilary or Obama. And every other GOP candidate will have a worse drag down effect on GOP congressional efforts. A McCain nomination would have the biggest negative impact on the GOP.

But...
I won't send Mitt any money.
I won't put up Mitt yard signs or bumper stickers.
I won't volunteer to help Mitt's campaign.
And I won't post on FR in support of Romney (although I will likely post MANY, MANY things in opposition to McCain!)

And if the GOP nominee is McCain, I intend to vote 3rd party or write-in (probably Fred).

447 posted on 01/30/2008 7:14:37 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: Sideshow Bob
[Conservative...] Remember, my original vanity was a lament that there isn't one right now. [...] I'll tell you that I could reluctantly hold my nose and vote for Romney.

But there is. Dr. Alan Keyes.

All rancor aside, I would realy like to figure this part out:

You would bust my balls for voting for Keyes, a man who is inarguably the single Conservative in the race and whose Conservative credentials are impeccable.

At the very same time, as you lament that there is no Conservative (a position rendered false by way of Keyes) you feel capable of pulling the lever for a gun grabbing, baby killing, big govt. Northeastern RINO.

WTF, over?

BTW, Romney and McCain will have the same problem as Thompson did. Neither can secure the Christians. Without the Christians there will be no win.

448 posted on 01/30/2008 8:07:58 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more. Keyes '08)
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To: roamer_1
Sorry, I left out the word "viable" conservative. That would eliminate both Keyes and Huckabee.

But if you must know, I find Keyes to be a shrill, single-issue, grandstanding non-candidate and believe he "entered" the race solely for his own personal financial benefit. To his credit, he is a passionate opponent of abortion, but nothing more.

As for voting for Romney, I want my vote to matter. As I described, only Romney has a chance (albeit small) at winning in November. If Romney isn't the nominee, my vote won't matter and I can vote my conscience with a 3rd party or write-in vote.

449 posted on 01/30/2008 8:44:57 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: roamer_1; Sideshow Bob
So now Lynyrd Skynyrd = all southerners?

Sideshow, you are engaging in identity politics again. The long locked hippies: Skynyrd did not represent Southerners, but their song reflected the pride that all Southerners have in what they are, what they believe and where they come from, warts and all.

If you tell us a poor Southern Governor named: "Huckabee" cannot win because of what he is, what he believes and where he comes from, we'll rally around him. We love any fight, especially a "Lost Cause". Just watch what happens on Super Tuesday. I'm not saying the Huckabee will come out on top, but the South will be heard from. Myth is a Yankee. He's not a Christian and he's not a gentleman. Thompson is a gentleman but that's not enough.

450 posted on 01/30/2008 8:47:58 PM PST by Theophilus (Nothing can make Americans safer than to stop aborting them.)
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To: Theophilus
Huckabee" cannot win because of what he is, what he believes and where he comes from, we'll rally around him.

Bob didn't say he couldn't win because of what he "is" or where he comes from. In fact, it was another poster who proclaimed that the anti-Huckabee are really just Northeastern Rockefeller Republicans. While Fredheads may be slow to realize that they lost because Fred mishandled the situation with the Christian voters who vote en block, the Huckabites are more slow to realize that he cannot win without convincing Republicans that all of his liberal acts as governor aren't indicative of who he'll be as President. Not an easy sell. Socons need ficons and vice versa. Just because a guy says "RLA" doesn't make him a conservative at large. Nor does it make him a viable candidate (and I don't mean viable in the sense of "electability" which Huck clearly has about a -23 on a scale of 1 to 10 in electability).

451 posted on 01/30/2008 9:11:29 PM PST by the808bass
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To: Theophilus
I didn't engage in identity politics. I responded to someone else's identification with Lynyrd Skynyrd.

I previousy addressed why most conservatives are opposed to Huckabee. And I disposed of the inane Yankee bias argument.

As a child of immigrants and as a first-generation American, I find that entire fixation of North vs. South to be rather silly. The Civil War (or am I a bigot if I don't call it the War of Northern Aggression?) ended 143 years ago, please let it go.

452 posted on 01/30/2008 9:18:27 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Dobson is a complete ass -— THAT was THE moment when the tide turned against Thompson.

You are right.

453 posted on 01/30/2008 9:18:52 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: TexanByBirth
See Mistake #40

ROFL!

454 posted on 01/30/2008 9:20:14 PM PST by Shortstop7
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To: roamer_1

what’s even sillier is I am neither a Dobson nor Huckabee supporter but the inherent bias some supporters have against them for their own private reasons rankles me

plus it’s ok in their world to stereotype Huckabee but they would be the first to race bait were one to do that with Obama ...

actually one needn’t go that far....I bet I can find at least one of these clowns (wonder if they really were Clowns...that was one of their signatures too....anti-Christian conservative) smearing Huckabee as an anti-Mormon bigot

if I had time I’d look.....Sideshow with his evermore apparently vain vanity has already demonstrated his prejudice on this thread over and over...

some FReepers are just asshats.....politics is secondary


455 posted on 01/30/2008 9:29:49 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: wardaddy
what’s even sillier is I am neither a Dobson nor Huckabee supporter but the inherent bias some supporters have against them for their own private reasons rankles me

No, you're just the moron who keeps re-inserting the Southern/Christian/evangelical bias bilge.

456 posted on 01/30/2008 9:35:19 PM PST by Sideshow Bob (McCain's general election loss will rival the defeats of McGovern and Mondale!!!)
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To: Sideshow Bob

Your bias has already ben posted upthread for everyone to see.

Deny that.

My Ego and yer wuttle vanity.


457 posted on 01/30/2008 9:47:38 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: Brilliant; Sideshow Bob
"For me, it’s Romney or __________. Fill in the blank, but it won’t be McCain."

Same here.

458 posted on 01/30/2008 10:28:38 PM PST by Slip18
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To: ejonesie22
"That does narrow it down, but who specifically."

You should know who he is, as there is only one conservative in the race.

There is only one candidate who has all the issues down cold.

We are in a war with the enemies of the Constitution and the citizens of this great country, only most Americans don't realize it.

There is only one candidate who actually knows who our enemies are, and knowing who the enemy is is imperative in order to win.

459 posted on 01/31/2008 5:44:18 AM PST by Designer
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To: roamer_1
"..Keyes, a man who is inarguably the single Conservative in the race and whose Conservative credentials are impeccable."

Huh? Keyes is fairly conservative, and I was a supporter of his once, but this time we have Ron Paul, who is more conservative than Keyes.

460 posted on 01/31/2008 5:47:26 AM PST by Designer
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