Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
Of course, the inconvenient detail in all of this was that Dobson had never spoken to Thompson at the point of his interview with the reporter. So, Dobson was just guessing. Off-the-cuff. About a person's salvation status. Not very responsible. And certainly beyond the pale for someone who purports to be a leader.
Dobson wanted to get out in front of this story and put a black mark next to Fred's name. Mission accomplished.
I can assure you that we in the Homeschool associations can quantify qualify the difference in merely overturning Roe and the RLA. None are against overturning Roe, but it is obvious that we need a RLA defining "personhood".
And on that note, Thompson was never against abortion because the unborn baby is a person. Otherwise he would have believed in protecting the unfortunate children of rapes, incest and the Space Shuttle size loophole of the "life of the mother".
Or so we thought. Faith without works is dead.
I fully understand his worldview and trust his integrity.
I don't think I do so much.
it has been an anethema in advancing conservative positions on immigration and government spending.
Please don't pin horrible lie of the last 100 years of unenforced immigration laws and the profligate goverment spending on us. So-Called "faith based" governemnt funding is an outrage. Charity with other people's money ain't charity. Most of us are smart enough to know that. Yes we Christians are to love our neigbors, including the illeagal ones. But the government is not supposed to bear the sword in vain. We want the border secured, the laws enforced and I personally want legal immigration streamlined and increased.
Yeah. Merely overturning Roe. And I would agree that the homeschool crowd would be the most likely to distinguish between the two. But y'all are not the norm. You know that.
And on that note, Thompson was never against abortion because the unborn baby is a person.
Source?
[The abortion debate is] going to be ultimately won in the hearts and minds of people. I'm probably a pretty good example of that. Although my head and my legislative record's always been the same, when I saw that sonogram of my little now 4-year-old, it's changed my heart. It's changed the way I look at things. And I think life begins at conception. It was abstract to me before. I was a father earlier when I was very young. I was busy. One of the few advantages you have by getting a little bit older.
Otherwise he would have believed in protecting the unfortunate children of rapes, incest and the Space Shuttle size loophole of the "life of the mother".
He says life begins at conception. Do you have a contradictory quote?
I know that but since Dr. Dobson is an Evangelical, and I am an Evangelical and he described my point of view, a point of view about Thompson that I have corroborated with my family and lot of other Evangelical Christians, I'd say that Dobson nailed it this time.
And I am an evangelical and Dobson took actions and made statements contrary to my point of view - a point of view about Thompson that I corroborated with my family and a lot of other evangelical Christians. And I'd say that Dobson was an egotistical, religious bigot this time. And it sounds like 808bass has experienced a similar reaction.
Do you understand my point on evangelical uniform thought now?
I don't think that Dobson attacked Thompson, he simply pointed out, in a conversation with a reporter, that Thompson did not appear to be Christian, a fact that did not help him with evangelicals. That's all. I believe that if Thompson had assured Dobson, in private conversation, that he believed that Jesus had died to save him from his sins, that Dobson would have proclaimed "Thank God we have a Conservative Christian running for the presidency!!!". If Thompson is a Christian, he should not have been ashamed or afraid to say so. But he simply wouldn't say so. He is what he is and he ain't what he ain't but thank God that can change if God wants it to.
For the last time, Thompson did assure Dobson of his faith in private conversation - a conversation requested (demanded?) by Dobson.
And Dobson did not simply point out an objection to Fred in casual conversation to a reporter. Apparently Thompson's private assurance of faith didn't meet Dobson's bigoted standard, so Dobson STAGED a leaked email which surfaced in the media and caused reporters to seek out Dobson's statement "on the record." And then during these "on the record" interviews Dobson slagged Fred again and again.
Fred did publicly proclaim his faith. He didn't hide it. He didn't exaggerate it. He didn't use it to bludgeon his opponents. And he said it neither validated nor disqualified his candidacy.
I think it's the best possible stance on religion for any public official.
I understand that you are trying to defend Dobson. But what Dobson did is indefensible, immoral and wrong. And conservatives will pay for it for at least 4 more years.
So now you want to speak for all homeschool associations, too?
Wow, you're versatile.
the808bass says Dobson had not yet spoken privately with Fred prior to the news story. I was under the distinct impression that he had. Either way, Dobson was wrong for his statement and actions.
Dr. Dobson told Mr. Gilgoff he had never met Sen. Thompson and wasn’t certain that his understanding of the former senator’s religious convictions was accurate. Unfortunately, these qualifiers weren’t reported by Mr. Gilgoff. we were, however, pleased to learn from his spokesperson that Sen. Thompson professes to be a believer.Never met the man. But he's not a Christian. "At least that's my impression."
My impression is that Dobson is a sanctimonious prig. Not that I've ever met him or anything. I hope that this doesn't get out into public. Hold on while I hit "Post"
To hear the comments when Dobson said this one would gather that Dobson had no follower at all, that he was a kook. He was lambasted for daring to say what all Christians voters take as number one in voting... and Fred and his follower followed the nearest exit off lemming cliff to mass suicide with comments like "I don't wear my faith on my sleeve" and "Dobson is an idiot". Lukewarm was about all that could be said about Fred and his faith and straddling that fence was not where you want to be come election time. The last thing true Christians want is someone that is ashamed of them and their faith. Fred further distanced himself from conservative Christians with his abortion statements that muddied the water instead of the opposite. Yet surprisingly in this year's field where Duncan was still a nobody, Fred did have a lot of Christian supporters (here on FR and otherwise, including my cousin, who now has switched to Huckabee).
Now the last thing Fredheads need to do is to just keep driving that nail between themselves and Christians. Eve blamed that cunning snake, Adam blamed Eve... Fredheads have blamed everything under the sun. Perhaps the sad fact is that the American populace is just a bunch of RINO's and liberals and there is little we can do about it. The socialist cake has been tasted and many have come back for second helpings and big government is more than happy to keep serving it.
I'll remind myself to do that to me.
He was lambasted for daring to say what all Christians voters take as number one in voting
Really? All Christian voters have "evangelical Christian" as their number one qualification? Good thing we didn't have that for Reagan. Or Bush 1.
nearest exit off lemming cliff to mass suicide with comments like "I don't wear my faith on my sleeve" and "Dobson is an idiot".
I didn't say Dobson was an idiot. I said he was a Machiavellian, wannabe-king-maker, sanctimonious, self-righteous prig with delusions of grandeur who got a whiff of power with Falwell deceased and Robertson off the reservation (with his Giuliani endorsement). I may have missed a few. But that's the gist. And I'll stand by every iota.
The last thing true Christians want is someone that is ashamed of them and their faith. Fred further distanced himself from conservative Christians with his abortion statements that muddied the water instead of the opposite.
Fred wasn't ashamed of his faith. He just didn't try to milk his faith for your vote. That may be difficult for some people to grasp as they believe that faith is about loud proclamations over bullhorns.
Fred further distanced himself from conservative Christians with his abortion statements that muddied the water instead of the opposite.
I wasn't confused. I do reckon Mike Huckabee had a hard time understanding them, but he's still trying to figure out where Pakistan is on the map, so no surprise.
And for God's sake, we've got to find a way to keep the middle from sliding farther to the left with each passing election!
Agreed. So I'm going to bed. Wake me up when McCain loses.
Thus the reason Fredheads helped bring down their candidate.
As my post above explains, their lukewarm at best encounters with anything remotely Christian didn't help. Sending out some unknown spokesman to tell about something that happened 30 years ago instead of dealing with this subject head-on was a disaster to say the least. Christians wanted to know if Fred was ashamed of them or not, is that so hard to fathom? Christians understand judging by fruits, and when even secular web sites offer big money to anyone that could produce a picture of Fred darkening the door of a church, and ANY church (with no takers), there was interest in the subject. Reagan could have pulled this off with charm, Fred could not, and it is a bitter pill to Fredheads to this day. Slipping on a barbed wire fence is not a fun place to be, lukewarm does get spewed at times.
Except many of them were Christians. So maybe your "anything remotely Christian" could be replaced by "cynical pandering to Christianity." You won't get that. Which will only further make my point. And you think it will make yours. Such is the way of worldviews.
Thus he didn't go to church and hadn't for a while and thus why he sent out some nobody to talk about 30 years ago, thus why he didn't breach the subject that is number one with Christian voters, thus so on and so forth...
He just didn't try to milk his faith for your vote. That may be difficult for some people to grasp as they believe that faith is about loud proclamations over bullhorns.
Grandstanding as you did above is quite the opposite of what most Christians want, but they certainly don't care to vote for someone that acted ashamed of them. Deal with it, just as most FR members will not vote for McCain, they know McCain is ashamed of many conservative principles. They know this because of his fruits. Fred had the opportunity to lay palm leaves down to Christian voters, instead he played the lukewarm centralist card. In a field full of centralist, with two candidates that sapped some religious voters up already that was not the wisest trick to play.
BTW... Mr. Hunter was my choice (as my tagline suggests), was it wrong for him to publicly make his profession of faith public too? Or was that bullhorning?
I don't think anyone noticed. So he's probably ok.
Thus why I said in post 349 the below.
"Yet surprisingly in this year's field where Duncan was still a nobody, Fred did have a lot of Christian supporters (here on FR and otherwise, including my cousin, who now has switched to Huckabee)."
Just the few, the proud, the true Christian conservatives that have been shown we are not needed this year.
LOL... have a good night bass...
“I’ve said it a couple of times, to unite Conservatives will take a Hillary (or even Obama) in office.”
But which one of the two is more likely to actually get their agenda through? That’s the scary part...
Obama, who claims he can unite Republicans and Democrats but with absolutely ZERO Republican senate endorsements saying how easy he is to work with.. Or Hillary, who Dems and Republicans alike despise?
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