Posted on 01/29/2008 11:55:19 AM PST by Sideshow Bob
What you don’t understand, is that when Fred said he was baptized into the church of Christ that is just exactly what that means. He believed in Jesus and was baptized.
Dobson didn’t understand that either. Not every church has the same way of expressing that they believe.
It is a false accusation to say Fred did not say he believed in Jesus, because he did say he believed in Jesus in the manner of his personal faith.
The church of Christ that Fred grew up in does not do “testimony” statements like some churches do and there are theological reasons for it.
I have listened to Dobson. I have received his magazine for many years. I own many of his books.
What he did was OUTRAGEOUS. Even my father, the most Godly man I know, who HATES to criticize others was horrified by Dobson’s actions, and he actually wrote him a letter about it.
Dobson has no more “wisdom” that I am interested in hearing.
That wasn't a problem with Reagan. Dobson spoke glowingly of Gingrich, hoping he'd enter the race. In other words, this is only a problem when the evangelicals are told it's supposed to be a problem. That's what Dobson did.
Add in his history with McCain-Feingold, which castrated the political speech of Christian organizations, dissing the Value Voters Debate as nearly his first official act, and coming out against the two Christian sponsored amendments.
I take it you're a Huckabee supporter. The "two Christian sponsored amendments" are just red flags to wave at the base to get them riled up. Nothing more. Nothing less. I almost hoped that Huckabee would get elected so that we could hear his explanation as to why he didn't even get those to a vote in Congress (to say nothing of having the individual states ratify). But y'all would have a "really good reason" as to why he couldn't. Anyone who believes his crap about RLA and DOMA is susceptible to all sorts of trickery.
Finally, Huckabee is an inveterate liar, a practiced prevaricator of the first order. It bothers the evangelicals not at all. Which makes me think that the person just has to "be one of the group" and that excuses any bad behavior that they have.
It's not hard to see, you're looking at it right now.
Let me be more precise. I don't see how Fred's attendance would have changed the attitudes of the alleged evangelical Christian leaders opposed to Fred. The alleged slight was pretense only.
My take: Anyone who crafted or bought into this Dobson/Values Voters attack on Fred is a phoney baloney Christian, a phoney baloney conservative or both.
With McCain's victory in Florida tonight, the death of the GOP and the conservative has drawn even closer. Yet some mindless, but faithful evangelicals are more concerned about whether Fred slighted their narrow brand of evangelical purity and their blind devotion to 2 hypothetical and losing constitutional amendment arguments.
Bump. Bump. Bump. Bump. Bump. Bump.
conservative movement
"He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to.' And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!"
Gilgoff's reporting is not what Dobson said that hurt Thompson. I'm sure you didn't forget the email.
Dobson does not have a flock, which shows you know absolutely nothing about Dobson.
Dobson has a following who follow his ideas that he professes on the radio with the same diligence that they follow their Sunday Pastor's pronouncements. Oftentimes moreso. To deny that is to either distort the reality of evangelical thought processes or to be ignorant thereof.
Yes, I've known several Mormons and I've worked with them. And they can be nice, but I've also known Mormons that lied. I knew a defense attorney here that was representing a Mormon father that raped his own daughter because she disobeyed him. That point system of yours for good works only influences surface behavior so far. But it's not about Mormon's behavior. It's about the truth of what they believe, and the impact of those beliefs, if you elect one as President.
Mormon's believe in contrast to scripture, that there are many Gods, that Jesus was a completely different God than the Father, that both the Father and Jesus started out as men who were promoted to Godhood. It's a false religion. You might as well send up a hindu, or a wiccan. None of them would get my vote.
Fortunately, McCain just took Florida. And reports are that Rudy's about to endorse McCain. At least I can vote for McCain over the Democrats. I don't suppose McCain-Feingold would be any worse on our rights than Clinton.
Because your analysis was spot on.
It's my baseless opinion, too.
How can you tell the difference?
All I can tell you is that you are deep in denial. You may clamp your hands over your ears and sing "la la la la" all you like. You can rant and rave and call anyone who didn't support Fred a "phoney baloney Christian, a phoney baloney conservative or both", content in your happy little world of "Frederalist" devotion- But the rubber has already hit the road.
It is easy to see- Fred cratered, and Huckabee rose up right out of the basement. Something about Fred didn't gel with those folks, nearly every one of them Evangelical Pro-Lifers according to the press.
You may continue to deny what faithful Christian FReepers (myself included) said right here on this board, when they expressed their extreme dismay at Fred's overt snubbing of the Christian political cause, denying now, like many did then, what is so evident and apparent to us.
You may even forget that Fred's own campaign manager actually admitted that they had a lot of work to try and strengthen Fred with the Christian Right...
No matter how you cry and moan and gnash your teeth, No matter how you blame and spin the truth, you cannot deny the numbers.
Which was the actual point of my vanity post.
None of Huckabee's supporters-to-be on the ground thought this until they were told that's what they were to think. You can cover your ears and sing la-la-la all you want. All Huckabee has done is give McCain a shot at the nomination. And 3 or 4 subsequent RINO-living-breathing-Constitutional Justices. So long overturning Roe v. Wade. Good show. Really well done.
Perhaps you'd be the one Huckabee supporter to show us how a DOMA or RLA would be enacted by President Huckabee. Flowcharts, power point presentations, graphs and music videos are acceptable entries (I'd even accept simply a list of states which would make up the 75% of ratifying states). Seeing as no one will do that, I'll take that as tacit admission that those are just red meat to convince the proletariat to do as they're told.
Well, McCain has a better temperment than Hillary. And I think McCain actually voted with the Republicans a couple of times more than Hillary.
Wrong again.
The Republicans will wither away, and Baker's Big Tent may lie empty, torn and tattered like Republican "principles", but you need not worry about Reagan Conservatives. They and their cause will outlive it all, long after the Republicans have gone the way of the Whigs.
NOT
And I think McCain actually voted with the Republicans a couple of times more than Hillary.
Other than the WOT, not on anything that matters.
False. And exactly true.
Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.