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Border landowners lose suit over access to their lands
Express-News ^ | 1/28/2008 | Lynn Brezosky

Posted on 01/28/2008 10:41:10 AM PST by mdittmar

BROWNSVILLE — A dozen Cameron County property owners have lost their battle to keep federal officials from surveying their land for the Department of Homeland Security's border fence.

Following a hearing Friday, U.S. District Judge Andrew Hanen issued an order granting the government six-month easements to "survey, make borings, and conduct other related investigations" to "plan the proposed construction of roads, fencing, vehicle barriers, security lighting, and related structures designed to help secure the United States/Mexico border within the State of Texas."

Hanen denied access to neighboring lands not previously specified by the government. As part of the order, the government must consult with landowners to ensure minimal property damage.

"This court will make itself available if needed for resolution of any disputes, but it expects all parties to act cooperatively," Hanen wrote.

The government sued the landowners for six months' access to their land and filed court papers to condemn the needed land. The government is compensating each landowner $100 for surveying.

Once the fence's placement is finalized, which could take two to eight weeks, the next phase will be to negotiate with landowners to buy the land or seize it through eminent domain.

President Bush announced plans for a southern border fence in May 2006 and signed a law authorizing it in October.

A Border Patrol map showing a draft fence route surfaced last spring, prompting an outcry among Texas border residents and politicians who said they weren't consulted. Many fear the fence would cut farmers and wildlife off from the Rio Grande and damage relations with Mexico.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff pledged to be more open, and in November released a phone book-size Environmental Impact Statement with detailed satellite maps of the plan, which he said could change after the final surveying and assessing.

Some landowners have denied access to land parcels that in some cases date to Spanish land grants of the 1700s.

In December, Chertoff said there would be warning letters followed by lawsuits to gain access.


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1 posted on 01/28/2008 10:41:12 AM PST by mdittmar
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2 posted on 01/28/2008 10:42:33 AM PST by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

Thank god!!!


3 posted on 01/28/2008 10:51:57 AM PST by CPT Clay (Drill ANWR, Personal Accounts NOW , Vote Hunter in the Primary)
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To: mdittmar
How about if a voluntary system is used.

If a landowner doesn't want the fence on their southern property line ask his neighbor to his North if it can be built on his southern property line instead.

I'd not want to be one of those finding themselves on the wrong side of he finished fence.

4 posted on 01/28/2008 10:53:59 AM PST by ASA Vet
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To: mdittmar

One D-9 should solve the problem.


5 posted on 01/28/2008 10:54:28 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: mdittmar

when you buy land on an INTERNATIONAL BORDER, you should expect a border fence.

I wonder how many of these property owners have a financial interest in a free flowing border...


6 posted on 01/28/2008 10:56:02 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: mdittmar
This shouldn’t be a federal matter.
Where the heck is the State of Texas on this ?

Every State within the Union of States (with the exception of the Republic of Texas) granted their unappropriated lands to the United States as a condition of statehood.

U. S. of A. land patents have no authority in the Republic of Texas because Texas never ceded its lands to the United States.

If the Feds think they have easement rights, then
this matter should be covered under the supremacy clause of the Constitution.( treaties )

Summa Corp. v California, 466 US 198,

the feds seem to want it all ways.

7 posted on 01/28/2008 10:59:14 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: mdittmar
Many fear the fence would cut farmers and wildlife off from the Rio Grande and damage relations with Mexico.

Concern #1: Losing access to the Rio Grande - well, gosh, here's one of those little cases where illegal immigration harms someone. There you go, illegal activists, someone who is harmed by illegal immigration. Thanks for playing.

Concern #2: Damage relations with Mexico. Get elected to the office of the president, get majority in congress, make your own policy. Of course, the strongest people against open borders have already been knocked out of the race, so I guess concern #2 will be addressed momentarily.

8 posted on 01/28/2008 11:01:02 AM PST by kingu (We failed to quash Rudy McRomney and gosh, that's exactly who's left.)
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To: mdittmar

An earlier article about this indicated that the “landowners” in this suit had only small lots, not big acreages. Some were city lots in border towns. Sounds as if these “landowners” are more interested in obstruction than in helping with border protection.


9 posted on 01/28/2008 11:01:49 AM PST by FreePaul
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To: stylin19a
So the state of Texas should handle and manage the international border? I’m sorry; I’m a pretty tight constructionist, but I’m pretty sure that plain reading of the US Constitution gives the federal government the right to protect the borders of the United States.
10 posted on 01/28/2008 11:04:32 AM PST by kingu (We failed to quash Rudy McRomney and gosh, that's exactly who's left.)
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To: kingu
The State of Texas should be standing up for the landowners who own property granted under treaty.

I do see the plain reading of the Constitution regarding the word “treaties”, but darned if i see any mention of the word "border"
It could very well be covered under US Code.

quite a pickle, isn’t it ?

the judge granted a temporary easement...once they start boring holes etc...it’s all over but the shouting.

11 posted on 01/28/2008 11:26:15 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: kingu
I’m a pretty tight constructionist, but I’m pretty sure that plain reading of the US Constitution gives the federal government the right to protect the borders of the United States.

I'm with you on that one.

12 posted on 01/28/2008 11:52:51 AM PST by highball ("I never should have switched from scotch to martinis." -- the last words of Humphrey Bogart)
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To: ASA Vet

That would be a pretty good idea.


13 posted on 01/28/2008 12:05:33 PM PST by shekkian
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To: stylin19a
Yup, it's easier that way, and whatever the deal was with Texas at its FIRST admission to the Union, there's a different deal in place that dates from its SECOND admission ~ which happened AFTER they ended up on the losing side of the Civil War.

Regarding Spanish land grants, Lincoln himself perfected those items for California ~ and I'd imagine, for property owners in Texas as well.

14 posted on 01/28/2008 12:15:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: stylin19a
..to provide for the common defense.. ..to regulate commerce with foreign nations..

I'd say those would be the clearest indications that the conceptual idea of the framers of the constitution would be that the federal government would be responsible for maintaining the borders.

But, you're right, there's no plain text saying 'the Federal government shall have the common right to seize property along the US border for erection of a fence to repel an invasion of economic and criminal elements supported by military forces of a foreign power.'

15 posted on 01/28/2008 12:16:37 PM PST by kingu (We failed to quash Rudy McRomney and gosh, that's exactly who's left.)
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To: muawiyah
Regarding Spanish land grants, Lincoln himself perfected those items for California ~ and I'd imagine, for property owners in Texas a

Lincoln was cold and in the ground when Texas was readmitted.

16 posted on 01/28/2008 12:19:39 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: muawiyah
Thanks....now I gotta go look up other stuff...thanks, thanks alot !
i’m doing research about land patents. This stuff is fascinating.
17 posted on 01/28/2008 12:22:45 PM PST by stylin19a
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To: ReignOfError
You should check the date when Lincoln signed off on the deal regarding Spanish land grants and the property of the Catholic church in California. No doubt there's something along that line regarding Texas (which included what is now New Mexico and portions of other states).
18 posted on 01/28/2008 12:27:14 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: stylin19a
I do see the plain reading of the Constitution regarding the word “treaties”, but darned if i see any mention of the word "border" It could very well be covered under US Code.

Amendment V: nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation. A reasonable corollary is that property can be taken with just compensation; Otherwise, we couldn't build highways, aqueducts, or -- ask our current president about this -- stadia.

19 posted on 01/28/2008 12:32:35 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: longtermmemmory
I wonder how many of these property owners have a financial interest in a free flowing border...

Ding, ding. We have a winner. It's not about the land, it's about the money. One does wonder if they are currently being paid in pesos but thought they'd get more US dollars by hassling the government.

20 posted on 01/28/2008 12:33:13 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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