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Phony, ignorant Christians
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 25, 2008 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 01/27/2008 5:53:09 AM PST by Presbyterian Reporter

Paul warned us about times like this and the way people – including those claiming to be professing Christians – would act. I strongly believe Paul had in mind the kind of people who run major Protestant denominations like the United Methodist Church.

Today, at an event in Fort Worth, Texas, leaders of the denomination, which boasts membership by President Bush and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.

To say that even considering such an action is hateful, unbiblical, anti-Christian and evil would be an understatement.

It's not even understandable except in the context of the kind of morally blind apostasy described by Paul.

The problem with these people is not that they don't understand the Middle East. It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil. They are no longer able to see the difference between freedom and tyranny. They are no longer able to judge between criminal and victim.

They have, in short, completely lost their moral bearings.

This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house. This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.

I know these are tough words, for which I am sure to be criticized by some of my Christian friends.

For those pastors leading Methodist churches who understand where your denomination is heading, it's time to pack up and divest yourself of links to the denomination.

It's separation time.

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KEYWORDS: apostasy; caterpillar; divestment; dncfalseprophets; farah; gramsci; huckabee; israel; mammon; methodist; presbyterian; religiousleft; umc
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To: wardaddy

I think there is a remnant in most churches but if the individual church one attends is preaching “crapola” then it’s time to get out. But, then again, there were some strong letters sent to the churches in Revelation. I wonder what kind of letters would be written now - probably very similar.


121 posted on 01/28/2008 2:07:31 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Flintlock

That is so true. I don’t think a lot of people know that’s why so many went into “divinity schools” back in the day.


122 posted on 01/28/2008 2:08:21 PM PST by Paved Paradise
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To: Old Mountain man
you never have to do anything like actually repent or obey any commandments

Really? You don't? Who says?

123 posted on 01/28/2008 2:13:21 PM PST by what's up
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To: UCANSEE2
The Devil, Lucifer, Satan, The ArchAngel, whatever you choose, was not ‘begotten’ in the flesh.

Dance harder. . .I'm still not buying the Mormon spin.

And.... just where did the Angels, Seraphim, Cherubim, etc. all come from?

According to scripture all things were created by Jesus (who, of course, is God).

The heavenly host have been there with God, forever.

That might be what Mormons believe. It's not what Christians believe.

124 posted on 01/28/2008 2:16:43 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: what's up

Isn’t that the once saved always saved philosophy of men?


125 posted on 01/28/2008 2:48:00 PM PST by Old Mountain man (Extremism in defense of liberty is no vice!)
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To: Old Mountain man
That one shouldn't repent and that one should obey no commandment?

Don't think so.

126 posted on 01/28/2008 2:52:23 PM PST by what's up
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To: Mom MD

that’s ok dear....LMS are about the cat’s pajamas insofar as non-apostate

they are a good benchmark to strive for from what I’ve seen


127 posted on 01/28/2008 4:58:05 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: Natural Law

you write well but are still dancing

you throw stones precisely

so let’s have a precise answer:

what are you?


128 posted on 01/28/2008 4:59:28 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: greatvikingone
Israel is a country, not a holy entity.

Thank you.

129 posted on 01/28/2008 5:03:30 PM PST by humblegunner (If you're gonna die, die with your boots on.)
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To: MuttTheHoople

I love what you say - I had a similar experience with the Episcopal Church: we werent in the right income bracket and it was all about treating God as a fashionable thing to do.


130 posted on 01/28/2008 5:08:37 PM PST by Alkhin (Hope looks beyond the bounds of time...)
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To: tabsternager

You can allegorize Revelation, dismiss Romans 11:25, ignore the Lord’s promise to a teenage girl that her Son would sit on the “throne of David” (where’s that supposed to be, Salt Lake?), and for that matter dismiss the entire OT.

Israel is back in the land. That’s a miracle. More to come, film at 11.


131 posted on 01/28/2008 6:37:08 PM PST by Mrs.Z ("...you're a Democrat. You're expected to complain and offer no solutions." Denny Crane)
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To: wardaddy
"what are you?"

As my moniker would indicate I am a Christian that, along with the Roman Catholic Church, that holds the view of natural law set forth by Thomas Aquinas, particularly in his Summa Theologica, and often as filtered through the School of Salamanca. I believe human beings to consist of body and mind, the physical (body)and the non-physical (soul), and that the two are inextricably linked. Humans are capable of discerning the difference between good and evil because they have a conscience. To know what is right, one must use one's reason and apply it to Aquinas' precepts. This reason is believed to be embodied, in its most abstract form, in the concept of a primary precept: "Good is to be sought, evil avoided." St. Thomas explains that:<> "there belongs to the natural law, first, certain most general precepts, that are known to all; and secondly, certain secondary and more detailed precepts, which are, as it were, conclusions following closely from first principles. As to those general principles, the natural law, in the abstract, can nowise be blotted out from men's hearts."

In short I believe that the "Fruit of the Tree of Knowledge" is the ability to differentiate between good and evil. That presupposes that there exists a universal good, embodied in Christ, that is as much a part of the human soul as original sin. The ability to recognize and pursue the universal good exists without the need for an elite priest class or complex theological arguments.

132 posted on 01/28/2008 7:24:32 PM PST by Natural Law
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To: what's up

“However, God did NOT make man to be Deity.”

Man in the flesh.

Now, when you go to heaven, you will no longer be a mortal man.

If we all will be taken up into heaven to be with God forever, and ever, what will we be doing for infinity?


133 posted on 01/28/2008 8:49:58 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: MEGoody

“According to scripture all things were created by Jesus (who, of course, is God).”

Is Jesus a God?

Jesus said, “you will do all the things I have done, and more”.

This was in reference to his ‘miracles’.

Whatcha think he meant?


134 posted on 01/28/2008 8:52:42 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Where in the world did you get that belief that there are many ways to God? I think you need to read the Bible a lot more.


135 posted on 01/28/2008 9:00:20 PM PST by MamaB
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To: Natural Law
We studied Aquinas and Augustine in political theory school at Ole Miss.

My professor and counselor had been a Hitler Youth (forest camp kid....lebens-something) who embraced Catholicism later.

Natural Law makes me think of Locke though I value Hobbes most probably in that gang.

I’m Southern baptist but have Catholics in the family and I like to attend Charismatic on occasion....I like their politics too.

136 posted on 01/28/2008 9:05:58 PM PST by wardaddy (Political Correctness is to Western Culture what the Aids virus is to the cake community)
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To: maine-iac7
Jesus didn't teach the trinity. He said "I and the Father are One" "He who has seen me has seen the Father" = etc - Many take this in the manner of speaking of the time - to mean, I and the Father are one and who has seem me... means, we are one in thought, in deeds, in precepts...that Jesus, as God's living representative on earth, whatever He said/did was in complete harmony with the Father = and He came to teach us to know and do the same...as our heritage.

But even this line of reasoning presents problems. When, on the cross, Christ said, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me," that statement pretty much conflicts with the three points I highlighted in your statement. Christ wasn't just mouthing lines in a play when he said that. He was sincere, and truly, God did forsake him for that brief period of time. I think a lot of people have a hard time understanding that, let alone, accepting it.

For God to truly be righteous, it is something that had to be done to the one who paid the price for our sins, and it is profound beyond imagination.

God's ways, are not our ways, and I think we tend to deem ourselves a bit too important when we think we can understand the nature of God, let alone sum it up in a few sentences.

137 posted on 01/28/2008 10:09:06 PM PST by csense
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To: Mrs.Z

No Christians that I know of dismiss the Old Testament.

The problem for Christian Zionists/dispensationalists, however, is that they have myopia when it comes to Bible study — they cherry pick verses in the Bible and apparently dismiss others (forgetting that Scripture never contradicts Scripture). I believe you just gave a good example of that — interpreting Romans 11:25 in a way that makes it contradict Romans 9.

I think if you would pray for understanding and read Scripture in light of Scripture, then you would realize that the modern state of Israel is not a fulfillment of Bible prophecy.


138 posted on 01/29/2008 5:02:38 AM PST by tabsternager
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To: UCANSEE2
Now, when you go to heaven, you will no longer be a mortal man

No, you will be an IMMORTAL man, (not Deity).

what will we be doing for infinity?

I don't know, but if you're in Heaven it will certainly be all good. No need to worry about that now. God moves us forward by faith now; He will bring us to fulfillment then when we'll be found completely in Christ.

139 posted on 01/29/2008 9:42:55 AM PST by what's up
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To: Natural Law
We are not here to judge, but to be judged

That's such a crock.

We make judgments everyday.....

That particular scripture that you are apparently referring to...gets messed up and misquoted all the time.

Used much by the left and the uninformed to turn a blind eye to inappropriate behavior, and life-styles.

The actual scripture was speaking to those that might be involved in the same exact thing they are judging someone else for.

It's perfectly fine to judge others..and to attempt to counsel them, help them. But NOT if you are doing the SAME THING THEY ARE.

140 posted on 01/29/2008 9:56:42 AM PST by Osage Orange ("Bill Clinton is an unusually good liar" - Bob Kerry)
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