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Vitamin D Deficiency Study Raises New Questions About Disease And Supplements
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| 1-27-2008
| Autoimmunity Research Foundation
Posted on 01/26/2008 10:56:49 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
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posted on
01/27/2008 8:11:35 AM PST
by
AmericanVictory
(Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
To: devere
But I dont think he has made a rational case that Vitamin D supplementation is anything but helpful for a large majority of the population.
That's the key.
Some benefit from Vitamin D supplements in our food chain, some are harmed, and some get by either way just fine.
Moreover the benefit may be great (life saving) or minor (fewer cases of sniffles), and the harm may be great (life threatening) or minor.
He makes a case of less Vitamin D for those who would be harmed (duh), and he makes a case that public policy (the FDA) should not be changed at this time to encourage more Vitamin D supplementation. First we should better understand how many people are in these various groups.
I don't see, yet anywhere, where he directly advocates reducing the current supplementation of Vitamin D, though he does present suggesting evidence that such might be the case.
He is advocating that the FDA not extend Vitamin D supplementation at the present time, and he is encouraging funding (surprise, surprise) of more studies.
42
posted on
01/27/2008 8:18:02 AM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: Wonder Warthog
although I "love" milk, I have developed a sensitivity to it
To continue that off topic subthread one thought further, some people find that they can drink raw milk, even though they have trouble digesting pasteurized milk. See my FR home page for more Raw Milk links, near the top.
43
posted on
01/27/2008 8:20:55 AM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: bigjoesaddle
Big Pharma wants control of selling suppliments, big $$$ to be made.
Yes, especially if they can convince, persuade or force us to stop taking those cheap, unpatentable nutrients and instead purchase prescription drugs, with our medical insurance paying high prices for them.
44
posted on
01/27/2008 8:24:20 AM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: Dr. Scarpetta
45
posted on
01/27/2008 8:28:42 AM PST
by
neverdem
(I have to hope for a brokered GOP Convention. It can't get any worse.)
To: devere
But I dont think he has made a rational case that Vitamin D supplementation is anything but helpful for a large majority of the population.
Here's another recent study, this from Duke University, that suggests Vitamin D supplementation in older people is more harmful, causing brain lesions that lead to earlier death and other diseases:
Duke University researchers connect vitamin D with brain lesions.
The risk-reward tradeoffs for Vitamin D supplements, as they vary by diverse populations, may be less uniformly rewarding than we have thought.
46
posted on
01/27/2008 8:38:56 AM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow
This BioEssay explores how lifelong supplementation of the food chain with vitamin D might well be contributing to the current epidemics of obesity and chronic disease. Perhaps the fact that food supplementation (in milk) vitamin D2 rather than the good D3 is what should be considered.
47
posted on
01/27/2008 9:15:07 AM PST
by
aimhigh
To: blam
Not sure therefore what about this . . . Am suspicious that some powers that be don’t want Vit D helpfulness to be widely accepted.
Seems to me that the doc at the hospital that kept his wing free of influenza etc. with 2000 units daily of Vit D has it right.
48
posted on
01/27/2008 9:50:49 AM PST
by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: ThePythonicCow
Marshall didn't assert that obesity was a disease. Yes, he did. and yet the epidemics of chronic disease, such as heart disease and obesity, are just getting worse.
His own words.
You may worship at his altar. I prefer to engage in critical thought.
49
posted on
01/27/2008 9:54:52 AM PST
by
Harmless Teddy Bear
(A good marriage is like a casserole, only those responsible for it really know what goes into it.)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
You dismissed Marshall when you saw him refer to obesity as a "chronic disease."
I objected, stating he didn't do that.
You quoted him, "chronic disease, such as heart disease and obesity"
You're right and I was wrong - he did assert that obesity was a chronic disease.
You labeled my comments "worship." That's bull.
You said you prefer to engage in "critical thought," as if I wasn't. That's a plain old insult without basis.
Furthermore, dismissing my comments as "worship", and Marshall's entire work, out of hand, because he said obesity was a chronic disease, don't sound like critical though to me.
I won't waste other readers time with the list, but do a Google search for:
and you will immediately see a long list of articles directly stating that obesity is a chronic disease, from a variety of serious organizations. You might disagree, and perhaps for good reason. But blowing them all off, out of hand, for such an assertion, is bull, not critical thinking.
50
posted on
01/27/2008 2:51:13 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: blam; devere; freeangel; A Navy Vet; djreece; Wonder Warthog; Dr. Scarpetta; Ladysmith; Bobibutu; ..
There is a more accessible explanation of all this at a site called
Bacteriality.com, prepared by a young lady named Amy Proal. See for example the article
Why the Marshall Protocol makes sense, posted Nov 28, 2007.
She does a good job of explaining these new insights into how our immune systems work, why recent evidence suggests that many chronic diseases have a bacterial cause, and how the Marshall Protocol works.
Admittedly, beginning with the very title of her article, she does little to persuade those who dismiss all this as "Marshall worship."
That's tough.
51
posted on
01/27/2008 5:35:10 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Amy Proal has a clear presentation of the evidence that obesity can be caused by certain kinds of gut bacteria at
Bacteria implicated in obesity.
If a critical causative agent in the mechanisms of a rather negative medical situation is the presence of unusually high amounts of a particular kind of bacteria, then I'd consider it fair to call that a "disease."
52
posted on
01/27/2008 5:53:05 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow
Since a minor amount of summer sun exposure generates 10,000 IU of Vitamin D in the skin, Dr. Marshall and his supporters need to explain clearly how much smaller amounts of Vitamin D in the diet can have a pathological effect. The assertion seems counter-intuitive. Is there a clear theory why cholecalciferol generated in the skin by sunlight has a different physiological effect than that ingested through the digestive tract?
53
posted on
01/27/2008 6:06:44 PM PST
by
devere
To: ThePythonicCow
Thanks much.
I hope all your prayer concerns are . . . as you wish and need them to be.
Blessings,
54
posted on
01/27/2008 6:43:27 PM PST
by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: devere
how much smaller amounts of Vitamin D in the diet can have a pathological effect.
For the chronic illnesses that Marshall is focused on, sunlight is just as big a problem as dietary Vitamin D.
Pretty clearly, as others have noted above, what's perhaps a good treatment for some is unhealthy for most.
55
posted on
01/27/2008 7:18:05 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow
To the doubters and nay sayers above ... there is a post at
http://flash.lymenet.org/ubb/Forum1/HTML/032528.html that just rips Trevor Marshall a new one ;).
The post is by "paulscha". Search on the page for the string "posted 18 March 2005 12:50" to find it.
That post raises numerous damning questions.
56
posted on
01/27/2008 7:23:17 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow
So, how would you summarize your own current position vis a vis taking vitamin D supplements?
57
posted on
01/27/2008 8:11:00 PM PST
by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
To: Quix
So, how would you summarize your own current position vis a vis taking vitamin D supplements?
Well ...
- I've learned quite a bit about the immunity system in the last day. Discussions like this and the associated research are one of my favorite ways of learning.
- I suspect Trevor Marshall has added some value knowledge to the understanding of chronic diseases.
- I also suspect he's rigid, egotistical and arrogant, unable to allow adequate room for discussion and dissent.
- I had recently -added- Vitamin D pills to my daily regime (I take close to 100 (!) pills a day, no meds, just various nutrients.
- But figuring I get enough Vitamin D in my other foods and pills, I just threw out my Vitamin D pills.
For the curious, the main reason I take so many pills is that I hate veggies, and would much rather take a handful of pills than a byte of broccoli.
If I did have a chronic disease, I'd take a closer look at the Marshall Protocol, with a skeptical eye.
In the end analysis, we are each responsible for our own health, and we're each different.
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posted on
01/27/2008 8:25:55 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow
Oops: some value valuable knowledge
59
posted on
01/27/2008 8:26:50 PM PST
by
ThePythonicCow
(The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
To: ThePythonicCow; Joya
My own conviction at present is to continue with the 1000 units of Vit D per day.
Maybe I’ll read more and reconsider but that’s where I am at the moment. I take a handful of nutrients as well.
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posted on
01/27/2008 9:14:51 PM PST
by
Quix
(GOD ALONE IS GOD; WORTHY; PAID THE PRICE; IS COMING AGAIN; KNOWS ALL; IS LOVING; IS ALTOGETHER GOOD)
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