Posted on 01/25/2008 12:59:01 PM PST by CautiouslyHopeful
I don't want Indian Gaming "War Lords" in my state, corrupting my state government and fighting it out in the streets in drive-by gun battles just like Capone and the Mob!!!
We don't even have a legitimate CA Gaming Commission with teeth like NV's to keep things governed correctly!!!
This whole thing is wrong and when I pointed it out on another thread, some dufus comes on this thread earlier and calls me some kind of "racist!" What a steaming pantload!!!
My biggest disappointment in McClintock is his cozying up to these Indian Gaming seperatists and their special inequitable deals!!!
And the LAO estimates are about 1/2 of that. Compared to what they pay today under the existing compacts, it is a mere pittance of an increase... while they get to triple their slots in the state. That's what irks me the most about this--the way they are selling it. If Californians want to increase gambling, they should have the right to vote for it directly, not approve it in the fine print of some falsely-advertised initiative that is marketed as a solution to the state's defict (even though it won't solve that either!) And why should tribes be given the monopoly? And just certain tribes, at that!
I oppose it for the above reason, but also because it takes all the money and puts it into the General Fund to subsidize Sacramento's crack habit (today it goes into two trust funds). It looks like just anohter piggy-bank, to me.
I don't want Indian Gaming "War Lords" in my state, corrupting my state government and fighting it out in the streets in drive-by gun battles just like Capone and the Mob!!! We don't even have a legitimate CA Gaming Commission with teeth like NV's to keep things governed correctly!!!
Another good reason to question it. And, when it becomes evident that more teeth are required to keep these guys in check, that will eat into a bunch of this money. Of course, there is also the question as to how much they will be able to enforce anything when located on sovereign Indian lands. Apparently the tribes won't even hand over the details behind their savings estimates for these initiatives. BTW, the guy that recruited Arnold to run for Gov was a long time associate of a guy that was imprisoned for laundering mob money through Indian casinos. I'm just sayin...
D1--as to Tom takin' money from the tribes--if you recall, those were independent expenditures by the tribes on Tom's behalf. He couldn't have stopped it if he wanted to; the money was not his to spend. On the other hand, those tribes have given millions this go around directly to the California Republican Party who is shilling for these initiatives to pass and using the money for glossy voter pamphlets. I think Tom, just like before, is showing his libertarian bent and supports the tribes "sovereignty." I may not agree with him but he is consistent and I don't see anything immoral or corrupt about it.
Well, I don't either UNLESS... It's done in the spirit of "let the baby's have their milk" and "lets use it to keep them down on the liberal/libertarian plantation and under our ultimate control."
You see, when I confronted both federal officials and local tribal officials about the actual factual status of this pseudo sovereignty, they admitted to me that these are not "sovereign nations" or "sovereign lands" stuck here and there within the USA like Soweto and a couple of other's are in South Africa, these are only "sovereign ENTITIES," they informed me as one of our county's elected officials in charge of "land use" which includes zoning, planning, etc...
Now they desperately needed a drinking water supply for their sovereign entity/future casino and they finally surrendered some of their precious sovereignty to the local irrigation district as another governmental entity with a board elected by voters within said district. So when the tribal leaders came to my board due to being locked in a battle with a contiguous homeowners association about wanting all the future casino customers to drive through said H.O. Assn. roads... I had to remind them that sovereignty is a lot like virginity! You can't go around surrendering little bits of it here and there!!!
Now I'm sure this wasn't politically correct and completely out of line for "affirmative action" and not at all representative of "compassionate conservatism," but please tell me whatever happened to assimilation into America's fantastic "melting pot?" How we gonna git there with these tribal enclaves tryin to act like sovereigns when me and my tribe cannot do that???
I concur with #377, entirely!!!
LOL I ain't yer bitch, sunshine. Do your own homework.
Actually I saw it in on a youtube interview yesterday. Paul was being interviewed by someone who was on one of the women networks. I made a halfhearted attempt to find it after I read your post, but twas to no avail. If I run across it again, I'll post it.
Well, unfortunately, I don't see that ever happening. Especially now that the tribes have let in the mob and the Las Vegas crowd to run their businesses (casinos, hotels, restaurants). Now it is just an opportunity for some to bypass all the dang laws and regulations every American citizen and business owner has to deal with. How long before Costco or Walmart wants to operate a store with an Indian front man? Maybe Tyson can run the chicken farms on tribal lands. Or ADM can operate their farms on tribal lands. etc. etc. etc. Looking at the possibilities says the rubber is about to hit the road. I don't know the right answer but I believe ya gotta draw the line somewhere.
There is no doubt in my mind that there are globalist elitist forces behind the party. Just the fact that
some well placed GOP operatives, including Bush, are known participants in the Bilderberger top secret meetings is enough to make me cringe. I know they don’t discuss the weather at those meetings.
Those global elitists have been screwing with our politics for many years and it is because of that arrogance the GOP continues to ignore the wishes of the people while pandering us for more money. I shredded another GOP fundraising letter just yesterday in fact.
Maybe a brokered convention is an illusion. Those same world government elitists will do whatever it takes to destroy a viable 3rd party candidate because they have the money and the mSM under their thumb. Murdoch and Gannett aren’t exactly friendly to the wishes of commoners. They are also a part of that elitist circle of power.
Unfortunately, the only other option to break this chain of manipulation is large scale civil disorder. And that would likely be met with military force as directed by homeland security against “terrorists”.
The more I think about this the more I get bummed out in realization that the elitists have pretty much locked up control, and an election will never break that stranglehold.
Sounds like you’ve summed it up pretty well.
That was my reasoning for pushing to get support for the “least-worst” candidate. If we leave it up to the party, we’re always doomed.
But hey! Listen!! It's gotten so bad already that just like the illegal immigration issue, when you raise your voice in opposition to scoff-laws, they start yellin the "Racist" verbal nuke word at ya even on FR to cut off all discussion, just like some turkey did at me over this Indian Gaming fiasco surrounding this McClintock infatuation with endorsing Ron Paul and especially War Lords financing the ridiculous Republican Party debt to get the dumbed-down public to ratify an outrageous compact between said favored War Lords and Arnold Schwartzenswindler!!!
This in turn has everybody acting by voting in reaction to a series of paid lies designed to bail a political party out of it's fiscal mismanagement that reminds one of the titular head (Schwartzenswindler) of that CA party's fiscal mismanagement in spades!!! You still with me???
They were doing a telethon like Jerry Lewis to raise money to retire America's national debt that had been taken over by a native American chieftan.
This movie came out right during the Carter maladministration and boy was it ever funny!!!
Your scenario description above sure reminded me of it!!!
I believe I once heard him say he is in opposition to a lot of the domestic base closings that happen every year or so. That, I would think, would be one plank in any strong plan for our military and our defense.
It's not selfish to refuse to accept socialism in any dose (even the smaller of the two). It's simple principle, and that, friend, is something this whole COUNTRY could do with more of.
That being said, bravo on Paul being your first choice. I do believe it is the right choice.
Now that was uncalled for.
AND NOW, FRIENDS AND COUNTRYMEN, if the wise and learned philosophers of the elder world, the first observers of nutation and aberration, the discoverers of maddening ether and invisible planets, the inventors of Congreve rockets and Shrapnel shells, should find their hearts disposed to enquire what has America done for the benefit of mankind?
Let our answer be this: America, with the same voice which spoke herself into existence as a nation, proclaimed to mankind the inextinguishable rights of human nature, and the only lawful foundations of government. America, in the assembly of nations, since her admission among them, has invariably, though often fruitlessly, held forth to them the hand of honest friendship, of equal freedom, of generous reciprocity.
She has uniformly spoken among them, though often to heedless and often to disdainful ears, the language of equal liberty, of equal justice, and of equal rights. She has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own.
She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others, even when conflict has been for principles to which she clings, as to the last vital drop that visits the heart.
She has seen that probably for centuries to come, all the contests of that Aceldama the European world, will be contests of inveterate power, and emerging right.
Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be.
But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy.
She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.
She will commend the general cause by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example.
She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication, in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy, and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standard of freedom.
The fundamental maxims of her policy would insensibly change from liberty to force....
She might become the dictatress of the world. She would be no longer the ruler of her own spirit....
[America’s] glory is not dominion, but liberty. Her march is the march of the mind. She has a spear and a shield: but the motto upon her shield is, Freedom, Independence, Peace. This has been her Declaration: this has been, as far as her necessary intercourse with the rest of mankind would permit, her practice.
John Quincy Adams on U.S. Foreign Policy
Their is one thing that stands out among all but one(since Fred left.)of our choices in both parties that they all have in common....Their silence...
In his Farewell Address, George Washington reminded succeeding generations of Americans that, “Honesty is always the best policy.” From the bottom of our hearts, we wish that we were not forced to make an issue of the moral weakness—the integrity deficit—of Ron Paul’s opponents. Yet no one can listen to the posturing of the other contenders in both major parties, without remarking the absence of reference to the specific language of our written Constitution. There are endless appeals to the interests or demands of particular groups or factions of the population; endless pandering to what are perceived as voting blocks; but no discussion of where the authority is supposed to reside; none of legal bases for the programs, schemes and policies being promised.
Ron Paul, alone, recognizes that the Federal Government has no power—no legal existence outside the Constitution. Yet each of the other candidates, at one time or another, has been required to swear obedience to that Constitution—to swear to uphold that Constitution. If they care so little about those solemn oaths, as to fail even to discuss Constitutional questions in seeking the most solemn office under that Constitution, how can one trust them in anything? Ultimately, the determinative issue in 2008, must be the integrity of Ron Paul versus the shameless, amoral, opportunism of his foes. Those who chose to ignore that issue, turn their backs on duty, wisdom and providence. No personal interest, no rationalization, no excuse, can possibly justify that betrayal.
http://pages.prodigy.net/krtq73aa/Paul3.htm
I know, let’s run Tom McClintock for Pres. Who’s with me?
You touched on several reasons why Tom isn’t exactly pristine on this IMO. The tribes are funneling major funds into political coffers in order to exert influence. It has clearly resulted in the repbulican party backing their play in this election. Tom should know better than this.
The misleading (or fraudulent if you get right down to it) nature of what is being foisted off on the public, is downright dirty IMO. Tom shouldn’t sign on to these intitiatives if they aren’t going to be presented in an above board manor.
Then we get to the issue of an agreement that has been written to cover the gaming arangement for the next twenty years. Is Tome looking out for us or not? IMO, it’s a big fat NOT if he thinks this is a good deal. It just doesn’t look like it to me.
As for my comments about Tom taking donations from the tribes, I appreciate you setting the record straight. It had been my understanding that he had take a few hundred thousand just a bit prior to the recall election. If that is not correct, I don’t want Tom to be tainted because of my inaccurate memory.
When I signed on to the gaming initiatives for the tribes, I signed on to help California’s Native Americans lead a better quality of life. I did not sign on so the tribes could take billions from their profits and spread it around Sacramento buying influence.
Now we’re poised to tripple the number of slots in the state, and a problem that is already evident seems about to get a lot worse.
I’m not going anywhere near these initiatives with a yes vote.
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