Posted on 01/25/2008 9:44:11 AM PST by nickcarraway
Carrie Jones hasn't had sex with her husband Hal, a City banker, for the past four years. Nor does she want to. Sex is something she can no longer summon the effort to endure - with the man she married, at least.
She admits she stays in her sexless relationship for the sake of her children, aged nine and 11, and will remain celibate until the day they are grown up and she feels able to leave. At which point, she confesses, she will probably abandon her husband and begin a sexual odyssey to find the satisfaction that eludes her.
An unusual case? A sorry lack of libido? She insists not. "If I thought I was unique in my sexual disappointment I'd probably be suicidal," muses Carrie, 45, a publishing executive, who lives in North London with Hal and their children.
"I remember the first time my girlfriends and I admitted that we all felt the same about married sex as parents: we couldn't be bothered with it and felt guilty for not wanting to sleep with our husbands. It was a revelation. I remember thinking: 'Thank God! It's not just me!'
Carrie Jones: 'Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life'
"Now I believe there are thousands of other married women who would love to admit sex isn't all it's cracked up to be. But, if the constant cliches in women's magazines and chick-lit are to believed, we should all be enjoying prowess in the boardroom and swooning every night in the bedroom.
"It's the great taboo that no one dares admit - that sex is often a let-down."
So convinced is Carrie that her experience of sex in marriage - initially pleasant, dwindling to nothing at all after having children - is a universal one that she has just written a book, under an assumed name, highlighting the disappointment of her sex life.
"It's a sort of 'Frigid Jones' Diary'," she laughs, though she is not joking. "I want to break the taboo. Sex frequently isn't the chandelier-swinging experience that certain authors would have us believe is every woman's rite of passage.
"For me, the sense of being special to Hal faded away just as it did with previous boyfriends. I became obsessed with agony columns, poring over letters talking of boring marriages and the temptation of affairs and willing just one agony aunt to advise someone to run off with a lover.
"Of course, they never did. It was always: 'Go and work at your marriage.' But I didn't want to work on mine. I wanted someone to say: 'Actually, perhaps nothing will make you want to sleep with your husband again,' which is how I feel.
"I've made my choice. For now I'm caught up in marriage's net, bound up with responsibilities to my children. My interest in sex with the person I was supposed to be closest to has died. I could leave but for now I'll wait because of the desolation it would wreak on my family.
"I want to maintain the family unit because it makes other things possible, like doing things together with the children. But one day, when they are older and I can think about my own needs again, I may leave and start all over again.
"In the meantime, I want to tell other women that they are not alone in not wanting to have sex with their long-term partners. I don't think it's possible to maintain the passion of the initial chase. But it doesn't mean you won't experience those feelings again with someone else."
She may be considering an extreme - some would say distasteful and selfish - course of action for the future but Carrie's upbringing was very conventional. A Cambridge graduate, she was raised in Yorkshire, the only child of teacher parents whose marriage, she says, "was pretty dull".
She and Hal were introduced by friends when they were both 33, and she admits that they "clicked brilliantly".
They had sex up to five times a week before having children. But like her previous experiences, the longer the relationship lasted, the more disappointing it became.
"The problem is that sex in a long-term relationship inevitably becomes less alluring as domesticity sets in," she says. "Hal and I were very well suited in terms of our personalities and common interest in books, music, art and films but we never had the kind of wild, passionate sex that leaves you wanting more.
"Like most successful long-term partnerships, our relationship wasn't built on sex or passion. At best, sex was simply fine."
But even the "fine" sex Carrie recalls was soon replaced by despondency once the couple's first child was born.
"I did the middle-class mother thing in a big way," she says. "I gave up my career, breast-fed each child for a year and spent my days in a dizzy whirl of playgroups and coffee mornings.
"I'd flipped from wife to mother, and it gave me excuses - often genuine - to cold-shoulder my husband's sexual advances. He knew I was tired from the children and was always very understanding. He's an unusually kind and tolerant man." Indeed he must be.
Certainly, once the first flush of love and lust gives way to familiarity, domesticity and parenthood, few would argue that making love is the wanton adventure it was. But Carrie goes one step further. She believes that marriage and motherhood are simply not conducive to having a sex life at all.
"Providing a stable home for children is totally incompatible with having an exciting sex life. The two things are violently at odds," she adds.
"After umpteen years with the same person, sex is bound to get boring. Some people put themselves first, have affairs or simply leave their marriages in search of sexual adventure.
"I've chosen to sacrifice sexual thrills in order to do the right thing by my kids."
But a martyr Carrie isn't, and surely Hal does not feel she is doing the right thing by him. The couple still share a bed, though physical contact is strictly off limits.
"We've never discussed the demise of our sex life," she says. "It was more a case of reaching a low ebb of energy on my part.
"For a long time I didn't even realise it was the end of marital sex for us. But when years have passed, you realise it ended a long time ago."
Unbelievably, her poor, unsuspecting husband is not only unaware of her plans to leave him. He also, she insists, has no idea that she has written a book or posed for these pictures. She seems as confident of him not finding out as she is that he is understanding of her feelings.
For when asked whether she worries that Hal may seek sexual gratification elsewhere, she says: "I'm not concerned. I don't think that would happen. It's not Hal's fault that I wish to remain celibate; it's nothing he's said or done. He's a good man and a great dad. It's just that I don't want to be intimate with him any more."
Such cold words must leave her husband reeling? She insists not.
"There's a general understanding between us that I'm keeping the family unit together," she says. "Children need to be brought up by parents in a monogamous marriage. I wouldn't want to blow that apart, and I certainly wouldn't want the burden of being a single parent.
"I know from taking the kids on holiday on my own once when Hal was working that having sole responsibility for them is exhausting."
So what of her sexual history? It seems that Carrie wasn't always this uninterested in sex. She admits to having 23 lovers before she married.
"Ten were proper boyfriends," she recalls. "I regretted having sex with six of them, loved three of them but only one of the 23 ever gave me an orgasm.
"As I entered my thirties, it was obvious my sex life had a recurring, rather depressing pattern: intense desire to begin with followed, if the relationship survived long enough, by a slow winding down into indifference.
"Only an affair with a married man called John bucked the trend. But that was doomed by its very nature."
Five years ago, Carrie almost cheated on her husband after regaining contact with an old flame on the website Friends Reunited.
"I nearly lost my virginity to Mark when we were 17, but my mother arrived home as we enjoyed a fumble in my bedroom," she recalls.
"He was gorgeous, looked like a man even back then in his school uniform, and remained in my consciousness for all those years.
"When I looked on Friends Reunited, it was an enormous thrill just to find Mark's name. I e-mailed him immediately. He replied with an update on his life and said he was single - I was intoxicated.
"We began to exchange flirtatious emails, then text messages and phone calls which became increasingly fraught with sexual tension.
"After a few months of tantalising cyber sex, I booked a flight to go and see him in Germany, where he was living, over Easter 2003. But between booking the flight and the departure date, Mark found a girlfriend. I was distraught, my hopes of sexual adventure dashed."
Did Carrie not feel an ounce of guilt about her plans to cheat on Hal? "I had been feeling so sour about my sex life with Hal.
"But, back in contact with Mark, I suddenly discovered that my sexual urge wasn't dead as I had feared, just dormant.
"It was glorious to feel aroused again, and those feelings blocked out any guilt I might otherwise have felt about Hal.
"For the few months that Mark and I flirted online, I had two existences: one where I cooked and cleaned and went frigidly to bed at night. And another where I had butterflies in my stomach and stole off to write sexy, flirty emails and text messages to a man I hadn't seen for more than 20 years."
Eventually Carrie was forced to confess her feelings about Mark to her husband after he discovered the email exchanges between the two on her computer. Astonishingly, Hal comforted her while she sobbed and, she says, for a short time the pair were closer and more able to talk.
"But as time went on, it became clear this was just an interlude in our marriage rather than a permanent change," admits Carrie. "The old coldness returned and, since then, I have been unable to have sex with my husband."
Such a sorry tale of a sexless, unfulfilling marriage is in stark contrast to the current throng of writers littering the Amazon book charts with jaw-dropping memoirs of lurid sex lives.
Carrie admits that part of her envies those authors who claim to be having lots of sex and, more significantly, love it. The other part of her just doesn't believe them.
"I do wonder if they are just writing what they think the audience wants to hear," she says. "I read their accounts of wild sex lives and then ponder my own sexual encounters and wonder: 'Where was the fun, the screaming ecstasy, the fireworks?'"
Perhaps when her children are grown up, Carrie will do as she intends and leave her marriage.
Only then will she know whether the fantasy of taking in multiple lovers and never committing to one man is a greater thrill than being in a monogamous marriage.
• Cutting Up Playgirl: A Cheerful Memoir Of Sexual Disappointment, by Carrie Jones, published by Old Street on February 15, £8.99.
>>>”I did read the posts and know xsmommy personally.
Then you know I agreed with her previous posts on this thread, and only called her on the slam against male freepers that departed from her demonstrated rationality.
>>>:”You might have been here before, I have no idea - I was going by your sign up date and that date shows you to be a newbie.
The newbie slam I see here frequently, and its frequent use appeared in only the last few years. New signons were only noted when they were suspected trolls, and somebody’s recent sign up date was not otherwise used to discredit an argument. It is illogical and not conducive to expanding the membership here. If tenure (on a website or in life) if the measure of ability, then we should not nominate McCain BUT HIS MOTHER.
...”You obviously haven’t read much here lately...
Wrong.
>>>” or you would agree that tons of freepers here joke about pretty women being “not guilty” when they rape a child, or that they would “hit it” if the woman is pretty, with no regard to her intellect, political persuasion or moral outlook.
That is male locker room talk, probably with a tinge of regret it never happened to them when they were in school. Probably not worthy of this site, but not worthy of the now seemingly deactivated Viking Kitty squad either.
Oh man did you just become pathetic.
Oh man, another pathetic case. Sorry for you!
Approaching 50 and it’s still on the upswing. Thanks to God and faith. Wonderful what happens when your woman actually welcomes learning her place, not from me, from her faith. :-)
~~sigh~~
I lub you. :)
What was your prior name here?
I (and you too I imagine) think those type of posts are stupid and juvenile.
But I think it is only a couple of dozen posters, which would be between one and two tons.
The only positive about those kinds of post it outs the socially and morally underdeveloped posters.
Do you really think it is only a dozen or so? Dang, they are like ants... swarming. Seems like so many more. Of course I’ve been here long enough to know so much more than just the “I’d hit it” type of posts.
I agree, they seem like really big threads and lots of posters to me.....
Oh, and boys just being boys (which means I can do a “Hunks of 300” Tribute thread this weekend ;) so us girls can be girls )
Thank you for the thorough reply. You answered my questions very well. I have a much better understanding of where you are coming from now, and while I still don't agree in all respects, I think what you are describing has a lot of merit.
For the record, I'm actually an unmarried man. So no dresses for me. LOL! Guess I should have clarified that first. The scenario I described was based on relationships I've observed.
interesting that you mention tuco bad. i recall him quite well. he wasn’t really a major player here, but i do seem to recall he alluded to some inside info on something that never quite panned out, and then he kind of disappeared. he was by no means in the same league as QUIDAM. now THAT was a dreamy poster who set many heart to pitter pattering with his posts!
Lots of not so subtle innuendos etc
Way beyond the hit it type posts.
Oh man, you recall correctly!
The turtle is on the fence
LOVED him!
Which he only posted in undecipherable code of course....heh
The head of the turtle is now back in the shell. I will return when it again is visible.
That reminds me of a certain poster who always posted “I’ll bet I know who did it” or “you can take it to the bank” - always in the know, claimed to be a player. The funny thing was none of her assurances seemed to pan out.
Well, it IS well known that ONLY *one* food in the universe decreases a woman’s sex drive by over 90%...
Wedding cake, of course!!! ;-P
It wasn't about "treating yourself right." Here's an example.
The ex was unhappy about where she worked. She said the boss in the section was the reason she was unhappy. She had an opportunity to move to another section. She would have the same pay, a better work area and more interesting tasks.
She chose to stay where she was because she wanted to "make the boss miserable."
That's just one incident. Another was when we were driving along and she believed a black woman did something offensive towards her (she was never able to explain exactly what the woman did, in another car, at least 40 feet away). She screamed a racial slur at the woman. There were a lot of black people in the area and a lot of heads turned towards our car. Regardless of who was there, it was stupid and wrong. In that area it was also reckless and potentially deadly.
I'm a firm believer that you protect your family. However; once we were out of that area I told her, "If you ever pull that $%@& again I will kick your @$$ out in the street and leave you there. This was very late in the relationship. It was pretty much over already.
Almost as soon as we were married she became miserable and abusive to everyone around her. When I called her on her behavior her reply was usually something like "don't be stupid."
I hear about guys who marry the same woman over and over, it's just that she's wearing a different skin. I thank God that my new wife is the polar opposite!
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