Posted on 01/24/2008 8:40:09 AM PST by mnehring
Evidently a 12 min video CD/DVD was purchased by the group that produces UFO FILES for the HISTORY channel and so the pics were removed from earthfiles.com in view of the exclusive license to that group.
Evidently the video includes several ‘symbols’ ‘written’ in the sky.
There is one some such ‘symbol’ on this link at earthfiles evidently from a different photographer:
http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1384&category=Environment
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David began running the camera at 10:10 PM Central, on Saturday, January 19, 2008, while standing on his home porch near the Stephenville Clark Field Municipal Airport on the east side of town. David braced his arm and camera against a wooden post on the porch. The total videotape runs for nearly 12 minutes. Occasionally David’s voice can be heard, so audio was functioning. But David told Steve Allen he could not hear any sound from the original disc that suddenly began projecting the colorful symbols that pulsed two per second, changing every 15 video frames. Thirty video frames equals one second.
The following is a sequence of images in order soon after the disc “turned into” the pulsing symbols. I looked through files of symbols drawn by people in the human abduction syndrome. I found some similarities to the Stephenville aerial symbols and will hope to do some comparisons with colored pencil sketches of the symbols in the future. If any Earthfiles viewer has information about these symbols, please email me at: earthfiles@earthfiles.com.
Video frames removed from this section:
22 individual frames of David Caron’s digital videotape, excerpted approximately in the sequence in which they appear in the video. Goal is to compare with symbols drawn by people in the human abduction syndrome. All the Stephenville aerial symbols are segmented in a variety of colors as described above and which can be seen in this new February 9, 2008, still digital photograph taken by the wife of Dublin Constable, Lee Roy Gaitan, between 10:30 and 11 PM Central in the Dublin, Texas area.
February 9, 2008 - More Sky Symbols
Over Dublin, Texas (Also see 021408 Earthfiles.)
ROSWELL debris field participant gives NEW INFO:
FROM:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/52404
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UFO at Roswell - Sgt. Earl Fulford. - A new credible ‘debris field’ witness comes forward
Brendan Burton
Bren Burton is the founder and a Co-Administrator of OMF - (Open Minds Forum) - A research, reporting and discussion on-line organisation with an overseeing partnership of six international ‘UFO/ET Disclosure researchers. By day, Dr’s, Business Consultants, Theologists, Social Workers and other professionals.
Now with over 2000 members and a 25 strong OM Research Team of astro scientists, biologists, psyhcologists, journalists, forensic experts and other professionals, they are uncovering leading-edge information relating to the UFO Disclosure and going right to the source and ‘all the way up’.
Reporting on Disclosure and unique access to some of the key players of ‘Disclosure’ - (sometimes ‘deep’) within the USG ..and others, who enable a valuable, if sometimes obfuscated yet unique insight into the machinations that are supposedly leading to a “multi-billion dollar program” of full disclosure initiated by the United States Government.
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By Brendan Burton
February 15, 2008
The Roswell UFO crash of 1947 has become one of the most significant incidents of the 20th Century. It has perhaps become engraved in the pubic psyche as much as the Kennedy Assassinations, Marilyn Monroe and even the moon landings. Whatever your ‘beliefs’ on Roswell - one thing is assured, you almost certainly know what is alleged to have happened there back in 1947. There has been so much literature on the subject, that it would be impossible to give a full reference cite in this one short article. But before we introduce our ‘witness’ to Roswell - and his exclusive evidence - here’s the ‘Roswell’ story in ‘elevator mode’
On July 8th, 1947 - Colonel Blanchard released a press statement that a ‘flying saucer’ had crashed near Roswell and the army had recovered the ‘disc’. Some time later, the press release was retracted and the army said that it was just a weather balloon. Out of the public eye - the Roswell Incident’ faded and dispersed into the corners of UFOlogy - not surfacing until 1978 when Stanton Friedman interviewed Major Jesse Marcel - who was involved in the recovery of the crash debris - and the whole issue of Roswell simply caught fire. And this fire has raged ever since. There are credible accounts of recovered non-human entities and materials of an apparent ‘non terrestrial origin. Roswell became synonymous with the term ‘cover-up’ and soon became the symbol and ‘core’ of much ufology. It touched a ‘nerve’ - in the public psyche, and, it seems, within deep United States Government agencies.
Official explanations fall short.
In 1994 then New Mexico State representative Steven H. Schiff (now deceased) initiated a search of government documents relating to the Roswell event via the Government accounting office (GAO).
The US Air Force responded to the GAO inquiry with a 900+ page report entitled; The Roswell Report: Fact versus Fiction in the New Mexico Desert by Richard L Weaver, Col., USAF in 1995. The report concluded that:
“....the most likely source of the wreckage recovered from the Brazel Ranch was from one of the Project Mogul balloon trains.” Link
Two years later, during the 50th anniversary of the event, and following questions regarding the descriptions of strange bodies. The Air force issued a second report; The Roswell Report: Case Closed. Which offered the following:
“Aliens” observed in the New Mexico desert were actually anthropomorphic test dummies that were carried aloft by U.S. Air Force high altitude balloons for scientific research.” LINK
Significantly these explanation fail to address much of the key witness testimony. Consider the following:
The Mogul balloon trains were made of common materials. Major Jesse Marcel and other witnesses were extremely unlikely to mistake balloon debris for anything else.
The “Anthropomorphic dummies” were not being used in 1947, in fact they were not even manufactured until 1950. Three years after the event!
According to the testimony of several witnesses the material recovered at the foster Ranch was extremely unusual
General Thomas DuBose, at that time a Colonel, and General Ramey’s chief of staff, prepared an affidavit prior to his death in 1992. Which included the following:
“The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey’s office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press. I have not been paid or given anything of value to make this statement, which is the truth to the best of my recollection. Signed: T. J. Dubose.” - http://www.majesticdocuments.com/witnesses.firsthand.php
Click here for audio.
June Crain (deceased) was stationed at Wright field at that time and describes being shown a piece of this unusual material:
“....Okay it was Lieutenant Rose is the one that showed it to me, or Captain Wheeler [...] And he says “ June, you´re good. Tear that thing apart, break that up.” And I took it and I bent it and I twisted it and I laid it back down, and it went (sound) got right back to the same shape. I got back to my desk and he said, “cut it. Cut it. Try cutting it.” I got on my desk. I got my scissors out and I snipped at it, and you know there was no way I could cut even cut that piece of metal. And it was as light as a feather. [...] I even took the edge of the scissors and laid it on...you know [..] Took the scissors like this, and I whacked it like this, and I couldn´t even make a dent in it. Just nothen. Cause he said tear it up, so I tried every thing I could to tear it up, and I couldn´t tear it up. I couldn´t make a dent in it; I couldn´t make a mark on it”
PDF Pg. 16-18
As the freedom and access to information blew open many doors during the end of the last century, many of the soldiers, airmen and other witnesses to ‘Roswell’ started to come forward. No longer restricted by the conditions of their old employers, these men and women - some now in their 70’s and 80’s - wanted to Do The Right Thing.
One of these men is Sgt. Earl Fulford (pictured above)
Now a seasoned 82 year-old veteran, - Sgt. Fulford was an original witness who was researched by Thomas J Carey and Donald R Schmitt for their ground-breaking book - ‘Witness To Roswell’. Tom Carey was good enough to hook Sgt. Fulford up with the Open Minds Research Team - who have now interviewed this vital Roswell witness and produced an exclusive audio account compiled from hours of candid conversations on the subject of the Roswell crash - in particular, Sgt. Fulford’s deployment into the ‘debris field’. In this amazing audio - we learn of entirely new evidence. Descriptions of the ‘memory material’. How it felt. How it behaved and how it looked. Sgt. Fulford is clear about one thing - the material he saw all had “geometric shapes”. There were no tears, splits or jagged edges - all the material had completely straight edges. This is important information - not only does this show that the material was not ‘balloon material’ or ‘mylar’ (not invented then) - but there is an intriguing aspect to the material having ‘geometric shapes’ ( “there were no curved edges”) - does this suggest something about the inherent nature and structure of the strange material itself?
This interview is one of the new ‘exclusives’ on the Roswell crash. It has taken over half a century for all ‘the truth’ to get out ‘there’. But here is a crucial witness with some exclusive first-hand insight. To listen to the first part of the audio - only just released 15th February, 2008 - the first hour long segment of this amazing audio interview with Sgt. Fulford will be streamed live from the Open Minds Forum main website within the next few days.
With the latest events in Stephenville, Texas - and new developments in UFOlogy reaching an all-time high; with reports coming from around the world more so than in any time in history - we are perhaps at the cusp of a full Disclosure.
Now with the addition of Earl Fulford’s exclusive new evidence - this incredible yet ‘hidden’ history is becoming very much up to-date.
(additional research for this article by Lee Nicholson)
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Additional links . . . of interest . . .
Then and now pics of Sgt at this link:
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=54&Itemid=30
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VERY INTERESTING PIC OF ?LARGE? TRIANGLE WHICH shows how difficult to photograph and see such craft CAN sometimes be. Barely discernable but fairly sharp side of triangle is visible and other two sides are slightly discernable . . . starfield appears through interior of that described triangle. Fascinating pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/21678816@N06/2249091255/sizes/o/
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INDIANA TRIANGLE PIC. HOWEVER AVOID GIVING EMAIL AT SITE TO AVOID A !LOT! OF SPAM:
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2008/9511.jpg
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I remember the Huffman incident well. Didn’t one of the women who observed the UFO die shortly afterwards?
Thanks for your kind bump.
The name is slightly familiar but I don’t recall any details at all.
GREEN balls of fire photos . . . and other released gov docs links . . .
ATS thread:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread335212/pg1
Fascinating...thx for all of the posts. If you have a ping list, plz add me.
YES! We have a ping list with well over a hundred names on it. Sadly, most prefer to act like lurkers! Maybe we should have two lists—one for wimps and one for those with fierce courage? LOL.
Your kind post is most welcome. Sometimes the silence is deafening! LOL.
Las Vegas Dave—please add
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Blessings all around.
actually,
you were already on the list.
Interesting article from OPEN MINDS.
I think the author makes many good points and that his analysis is probably more likely to come true, than not:
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=39&Itemid=2
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The global fuse is ignited - By Vince White
Written by Bren Burton
Saturday, 29 September 2007
The global fuse is ignited.
The impact of disclosure , will be across a huge spectrum of response-—fear, panic, put’s and call’s, visits to libraries, churches and bars, marathon sessions in front of televisions, and spreading intellectual dishonesty.
Masks will come off, others will don masks, the search engines of the internet will be white hot with many accessing sites that will be melting down powerful servers.
There will be, some time interval ,before an actual announcement, before the pending Oval office address, while preparatory , interagency meetings , across executive, legislative, military, intelligence, take place to synchronize , and coordinate policy positions, and this will leak out-—once the deep inside structure has made the fateful decision.
This will be, depending on the forced trigger event, an interval ranging from a few hours, of desperate via , massive internet broadcast e-mails, rushed phone and video conferences, and meetings in DC., consultations with many foreign leaders and officials.
Suddenly the existence of the, until that time, a quite hidden subgroup within the NSC, called various titles, over the decades; 5412 , Excom, PI-40 etc...will attract world wide attention , finally receive scrutiny and mention in world wide media-—from the NY TIMES to Cable networks.
It is likely additional time will pass, a few days to a week, in that interval, the world media will be nearly insane with speculation.
So the actual Oval Address impact will be cushioned, from a few hours to a deliberative process of trying to get all major agencies and institutions with guidelines and on the same “policy” page.
Many many, skeptics, prominent academics, scientists, SETI partisans, and politicians sensing at long last the reality of events, the many details that finally will begin to leak out, as the chief investigative correspondents, defense and intelligence reporters, and media consultants are scrambling to describe what is coming, will be frantically considering and drafting statements to dishonestly alter and fudge their position...in the direction of the leaks.
This will turn reality upside down, as conversations with staff by politicians in which they dismissed UFO reality as “impossible nonsense”, will be inverted into “I had many serious policy discussions with staff on these matters”. and books on UFOs dusty and unread, will be dusted off and quickly read, or the sheer chutzpah of some legislators that will demand staff read the books deemed important and create a synopsis and deliver briefings on the subject and write disclosure support speeches without a twinge of embarassment -—are the same legislators that sign bills they haven’t read, now.
Reporters such as Bob Woodward, Sy Hersh, Fred Francis , Jim Bamford, William Burrows ,Will Arkin , will suddenly speak for the first time in a serious fashion about the reality of ET presence.
This as prominent UFO researchers will be interview besieged, from Stan Friedman, Maccabee, Hopkins, Jacobs, Randle, Greer, The Woods, Linda Howe, Rich Dolan , Paola Harris, Steve Bassett, and many more. And they will begin to lay out the likely structure of revelations.
Many well known names , will astound with contortions that will make Olympic gymnasts look tame....”I knew all along , but believed it was best to work behind the scenes.” etc etc.
The fuse burns down and ignites world media.
Some of this dishonesty will be laid bare after the mere introduction to 60 plus years of hidden history by the White House address, but what will rock the nation and slash away the facade of familiarity is the Pentagon press conference with the first avalanche of information and images.
World media burn with sudden forced fire realization.
The press corps will be transformed from lap dogs to pit bulls . sudden wickedly nasty with an artillery barrage of questions, born of the then obvious fact-—that they for the majority of a century , were virtually totally; snookered, suckered, fooled , lied to , mislead, victimized, used, conned , “watch the birdied”, infiltrated, moled , paid off , bought , and coopted. Out of that victimized trap of towering trickery will come real fury, at the scale of what has happened over the decades begins to emerge.
This press conference at the Pentagon will likely be the longest , loudest, biggest, news headline making press conference in history. In a process that few seem to appreciate, a certain amount of hard truth with video record is required to attempt to have , and rebuild , and document credibility-—or try to.
This will have blackberries humming hot, as images for the first time, are shown to a silent room except for, gasps, groans, and imprecations of “holy jesus,”” dear God, holy crap”, “I’ll be damned, I don’t believe what I see”,” Damn they have big heads,”, “look at that move—che-rrist they can move “, !!!!!
Some of the real footage of historic events will be shown, from White Sands N.M. Washington DC 52, Kingman crash retrieval 53, Holloman AFB diplomatic exchange in 64, NASA footage that will stun the world from the Apollo missions ( recent STS shuttle numbers where in the span of a couple minutes half a dozen high speed orbs, triangles ,boomerangs go streaking past the Shuttle) , and from orbit NRO views of galactic class ships half a mile across will fill briefing screens.
It will be necessary to admit certain unpleasant hard facts that will have fundamentalists in apoplectic rage , and atheists bewildered. The paraphysical capabilities of visitors will be broached in euphemistic language, though surely some reporter will be blunt. “You mean they can read our minds?’’
It will be necessary to admit; we have lost many planes in the past in conflict, that humans have been used in a large scale genetic programs , that we are the result of upgrades to primates by a consortium, project GARNET described, outside involvement in earth religions, and extensive well hidden land and undersea bases around the planet..(.this real estate will either soar or tank? ) admitted.
The rewriting of history will begin, archeological ruins currently ignored will be the sudden focus of enormous sums of money, the hard physical fact is MASSIVE ANCIENT ruins that the National Geographic can’t get dollars for off the coast of Cuba will be perhaps video background portions of the DOD press conference. There may be a parallel press conference at JPL with escrowed much higher quality images of vast ancient ruins on Mars, and the extensive forests will astound biologists world wide, with such statements as “this was all available in the catalogs-—how could we have been so stupid”?
This epochal door will only open one way, further and further, and the dishonesty of the denial drenched intelligentsia will be a scalding bath of humility as many realize history was hijacked for 60+ years. Physicists will be in turmoil realizing that much of current physics texts will be useful for landfill, the local light speed limit of “C” is ignored in interstellar jumps routinely taking place at enormous multiples of luminal velocity—and those abductees who saw double suns in an hour long abduction will be taken seriously.
Certain lionized researchers who are bored by star travelers, and some holy book thumpers who have labeled the entire galaxy as populated by demonic hordes will be difficult to interview as they plot a way around the facts as presented.
World media catches fire in a planetary firestorm of revelations.
The secrecy makers will spin and plot frantically to regain control and direct this opening. They will fail spectacularly. A cascade of global media chain reactions , fueled by long withheld suppressed life changing experiences of hundreds of prominent voices, will be told. There will be a thousand voice speaking out as ex Arizona governor Fyffe Symington did, suddenly admitting many stunning events and details of global management of truth.
As many spoke about retrievals to the late Len Stringfield in the 70’s emboldened by the imminent never occurring President Carter announcement, there will be a much greater number of pilots, editors, radar operators, astronauts and household names that will demand recompense and action concerning their abductions
This fantastic iceberg of never told human experience will collide with the SS Titanic of lies and cover up. an encyclopedia of incidents, lost planes , and intense thoughts of world leaders, will break out, Whistle blowers will arise as a reserve army of truth soldiers, feeding the breakout, and fighting back the attempt to limit and control this firestorm on several continents.
Global firestorm burns secrecy structures to the ground..
This extreme chain reaction will be a natural pendulum cycle , one excess leading to another excess. The enormous success in dumbing down , much of the planet. will lead to a correspondingly greater failure and need to be undone. The populations will have to go through the equivalent of UFOs/ ETs 101. The genuine tools and technologies available in the black world will have to be admitted and openly discussed , this will be very contentious. A prominent Disclosure proponent who expounds this operational reality will be vindicated on this , but will be confronted with areas he was a victim of counter intelligence.
A planetary movement for transparency of governance will emerge, as will demands for a democratic organic equitable shared value global government to represent the whole of humanity. Some governments will fall, new political parties with names as ; CLEAN HOUSE and NEW BROOM will replace existing discredited parties in ruins.
Globalism transformed built on the ashes of lies
The named measure of history will be B.D , before disclosure , and A.D. after disclosure.
In a mere few hundred years from this planetary housecleaning , more humans will be living and swarming around G class stars in the interstellar region of 100 light years radii of our sun than presently live on earth.
The human race will have begun to remake itself , genomically in the image of the, then scientific fact, of the prime architect, as .almost all civilizations in the galaxy do. becoming much brighter and longer lived .
But we’ll still like beer, soccer, baseball, and dancing , and sunsets on a thousand worlds.
VINCE WHITE 9-28-07 an unashamed optimist
“A very impressive take on the immediate realities we are likely to see in a post-Disclosure world. Right on the money. I will draw upon this for rhetorical exposition and will put it up in the PRG Commentary section (with your permission).
Everyone is encouraged to make a similar effort to project what they expect in the aftermath of Disclosure. This intellectual process is critical to being able to respond promptly to whatever curve balls may be tossed our way at that time.
It is often said the first 12 months in a child’s life are the most important to the quality of that child’s long term future. The same can and should be said about the first 12 months following Disclosure. This because Disclosure will, in fact, mark the birth of a new world.
Great effort.”
Steve Bassett
Last Updated ( Saturday, 29 September 2007 )
BTW, THE AZTEC UFO CONFERENCE in support of the library will be at the end of March.
STANTON FRIEDMAN
JESSE MARCEL JR
AND
TIMOTHY GOOD
ARE FEATURED PRESENTERS.
PLEASE consider what questions you’d like to ask them. I’m happy to try and oblige. They are usually available hanging out between talks as well as offering some time after their talks for questions.
Feel free to FREEPMAIL your questions if you are too shy about posting them.
A hypothesis about Stephenville sighting etc.
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=53&Itemid=2
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Interesting SERPO related doc here:
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=2
An interesting tale, if nothing else
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Originally passed to the OM Research Team in March 2006
“I have been instructed to pass the following information on to you per my dear friends last request. You must bear with me as the information was relayed to me in his final days while on various medications and a morphine drip. Many words were slurred and his memory was failing, so he referred to a journal at times, which I now have in my possession. He kept dozing and I would have to remind him where he left off. May God rest his soul.
You may come to find the information somewhat shocking and unable to understand as ****** has. I pray the Almighty will look out for the inhabitants of this planet as the coming years will bring much misery. I pass on this information in the hope that you, as an unbiased observer, will make sure the public learns the truth.
All space programs are a cover that exists to deceive the people of this world. We have a space fleet, which is codenamed” Solar Warden.” There were, as of 2005, eight ships, an equivalent to aircraft carriers and forty-three “protectors,” which are space planes. One was lost recently to an accident in Mars’ orbit while it was attempting to re-supply the multinational colony within Mars. This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork. Not everything is, as it seems.
We have visited all the planets in our solar system, at a distance of course, except Mercury. We have landed on Pluto and a few moons. These ships contain personnel from many countries and have sworn an oath to the World Government, also, known as the Bilderbergers. The technology came from back engineering alien-disc wreckage and at times with alien assistance.
The oil supply on Earth is and always has been renewable. We have known this since 1948 (he may have said 1958). The wars, diseases and oil crisis are just to keep the public from focusing on the real issues of government control and a presence not of this planet. We have the technology to rid the world of oil dependency and hunger, but it would destroy the world’s economies and the profits and control of some of our wealthiest families. I find this horrifying that 20+ families can control our world.
A few world government leaders learned of ALF’s, but with the approaching war, it became a low priority. ALF has since been renamed ABE and now EBE. (checks journal) Detlev Bronk came up with the EBE name and it has been used henceforth. These EBE’s were first seen around 1937 in Sweden and later Axis and Allied pilots reported seeing balls of light. These were the EBE probes, later called “Foo Fighters” during World War II. The Nazi’s were the first to retrieve a crashed disc in 1939.
These EBE’s set up numerous underground bases on our planet to monitor our progress. We have been in contact with four different EBE civilizations. Three are benevolent and unfortunately, one is not. The malevolent EBE’s have abducted many of us to help their dying race. We the human population are their experiment. They have made human clones that lack consciences and hybrids. For some reason, we have yet to identify, they are unable to clone themselves. Their intent is to take over this planet and use us as a food source to prolong their lives and as slaves. Factions within our government are even attempting to aide these creatures.
We have been in communication with these, now known, hostile EBE’s since 1953. This was after seventeen more alien-disc crashes and retrievals by our military, along with sixty-eight dead EBEs and body parts from Earthly animals and humans. The outskirts of Laredo, Texas was the location of the last crashed alien-disc. This disc was enormous and could not be transported, so it was buried were it lay and still is to this day. Another survivor was taken prisoner in 1951, and we nicknamed her Lucy, also, known as EBE-2. She confirmed the same information as our first prisoner, Charlie.
I forgot to explain how our prisoner, Charlie, came to be in our control. He was the only survivor from two crash sites. (checks journal) One was south of Roswell, New Mexico on Pine Lodge Farm, and the other near Azteca, New Mexico that our military retrieved in 1947. A civilian found the EBEs. His name was (checks journal) Gerald Anderson and he gave the EBEs water, which they rubbed on their bodies, but they refused food that was offered to them. The military, later, discovered the Pine Lodge Farm crash site and took Mr. Anderson and two of his family members to Roswell’s base for interrogation. They were threatened with death due to the national security issues at that time.
The living EBEs were being taken to Roswell and then transferred to facility YY-ll (I think that’s what he said) at Los Alamos. One of them began having a seizure and died. The three EBE remains were carefully packaged and frozen. Los Alamos was the only facility around that had a freezer that could hold the three bodies. Two Army Air Force personnel stationed at Roswell Army Air Base died within days from exposure when trying to crate the craft’s wreckage. We later confirmed it to be from radiation poisoning. Precautions were taken and the EBE bodies and discs were flown to Wright-Patterson.
We learned that the EBE-1, later called Charlie, was an engineer. He had a device attached to his diadem that allowed him to communicate with us. Charlie was deceptive at first. We learned he did not like the temperature below 77 degrees Fahrenheit, so we used that to our advantage and manipulated the heating system to get him to talk. He began to divulge an incredible tale. To this day, we are still not sure if all is true, as it could destroy man’s faith in religion and our understanding of this universe.
Their race is from a planet called Seinu and is in the Zeta Reticuli system (this is now their adopted home-?). (I’m trying to get him to tell me, again, where they originally came from) Their birth planet is in the Betelgeuse System, but is now uninhabitable. They were peaceful and traded with another race in a nearby star system. War broke out between them 3900 years ago Earth time (could not understand the name of the race, will ask later). They destroyed their enemy and in the process lost their home due to the use of genetic weapons. All plant and animal life began to die as well as their people. They found that over a few hundred years, the genetic weapons had begun to alter their offspring (? I believe that is what he said) and no longer could they reproduce or eat as they once had. Their physical features changed as well.
They are grayish-white in color with a scaly body and about 3-4½ feet tall. The scales were very tiny similar to a white snake. Teardrop shaped head with large, slanted cat eyes, a large protruding nose and a slit for a mouth. Lips were not seen on the mouth, but they had tiny sharp teeth. The Seinuvians seemed fragile with a thin neck supporting such a large head. They also had two arms with four fingers on each hand that had a suction cup on the end of the fingers. There bodies tapered down their legs to two feet with four toes that had claw nails similar to dog’s nails. When they turned, the entire body turned in unison. I don’t believe they could swivel their heads. (fell asleep)
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SOME MORE INTERESTING GLEANINGS . . .
here’s a link to a video evidently taken by a couple of gals presumably old enough to have a driver’s license.
WARNING, there’s lots of . . . immature . . . low vocabulary cuss words . . . their incredulity and the traffic sounds add to the credibility, imho.
The video runs over 15 minutes . . . much is black with their chatter. However, there are many interesting moments with a triangular craft evident.
The link below has several other links of interest. I’ll see what I can post from them as well.
The link to the video is at the orange HERE just above the still photo of the triangular craft.
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=48&Itemid=30
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SOME VERY interesting links, text and audio interviews available here:
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=44&Itemid=2
The Best Possible World Hypothesis - UFOs and the Eschaton.
Written by Bren Burton
Saturday, 29 September 2007
Gary Bekkum wrote an article for American Chronicle recently entitled The Spy Who Exposed Himself, a fascinating insight into the supposed ‘Deep Insiders’- a shadowy group of ‘highest level’ USG inside sources, seemingly prepared to communicate via a ‘nod nod’ / ‘wink wink’ and “... but don’t quote me on that” basis.
These DI’s seem to confirm that there are issues worth being aware about regarding the ‘UFO cover-up’ and surrounding areas. No one can confirm the often hinted at ‘Terrible Truth’ - it seems that the message underlying all this may be: “Now we’ve got your attention, you just might like to think about how catastrophic any full and complete disclosure could be to any unprepared populace, nation, religion.”
Dan Smith, is the name of a ‘well-connected’ man. He has sometimes named names, but those names are hidden amid code-names of ‘bird’ or ‘fish’ (Aviary and Aquarium). It was Dan Smith who arranged for one of the Open Minds Co-Administrators to talk directly, in an extend conversation to Dan’s current #1 DI. The same insider Gary Bekkum refers to as ‘the person who cannot be named’.
The discussion of the exact content and intention of that conversation is still on-going, although there was definitely some mention of direct UFO related matters. What it did do was at least confirm that Dan Smith was being truthful about the relationship he had with this *very* DI.
What has this got to do with UFOs? UFOs seem to be part of the ‘bait’ to get the populace to look into Pandora’s Box of possible future events and to start to think about how that is going to be dealt with. Dan freely admits that he is NOT a Ufologist. He is an Eschatologist. His ‘Best Possible Worlds Hypothesis’ has UFOs as being part of the symbolic interaction necessary for human consciousness to survive the ‘trip’ to the supposed coming ‘Paradigm Inversion’. We need to learn to ‘think outside of the box’ - seems to be part of the message.
Dan seems to think he has a role delivering this ‘sanctioned message’
Open Minds Forum interviewed Dan Smith in mid May 2007 and asked him questions which might shed some light on what it IS exactly that Disclosure is all about. Listen to Part 1. Listen to part 2.
Dan says that we are at a point where assimilation programs will and already are taking place with the complete co-operation of the media, Govt ‘blind-eye’ or sanctioning Disclosure. There certainly does seem to be a UFO ‘flap’ going on during the months leading up to this article. We have recently witnessed, O’Hare UFO, The Guernsey UFO, The C2C ‘Crown of Thorns UFO’ and various other sightings - unprecedented in number and quality.
He seems to suggest though, that this is just part of the ‘show’ - just enough to get people thinking about paradigm shifts in consciousness. Was ‘Serpo’ part of this ‘roll-out’ program? Possibly, it certainly succeeded in getting the discussions ignited and lead to other ‘things’ falling into place. Indeed, without Serpo - it is quite possible that Dan Smith would have much of an audience today. And make no mistake, Dan Smith has a BIG audience - maybe just a ‘few thousand’ regular (daily) disciples (!) - But there is more, Dan intends to get coverage of The Best Possible World Hypothesis in a Major US publication. Major. Dan has set his sights, and has the clout (and grease) to shift some heavy wheels into motion. At first to direct the interest back to *this* media - the Internet, but Dan’s Plan, it seems, is part of a much larger and complex machine already rumbling ahead. Dan wants to ‘blow the horn’ as she’s comin’ ‘round the mountain. It seems.
If you listen to Dan on the MP3 referenced here he goes into detail about how the ‘material’ world is coming into conflict with the ‘metaphysical/magical/mystical’ world during these ‘End Times’. Apparently part of the trauma we could experience is the transition between the two. He alludes to ‘disturbing’ messages yet to be faced - is this trauma really necessary in Human evolution? - Yes, according to Dan. And with that he will then readily rationalise a holocaust as being a ‘necessary evil’. Of course most people have cognitive dissonance at anything describing itself as a necessary evil. Evil cannot be necessary. Surely to God, he can’t be serious? He is. Very.
From what I have heard recently, the story behind the Dan Smith Best Possible World will be hitting the major newsstands this summer....
You read it here first!
To read Dan Smith’s Blog - click ‘here’.
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An interesting Soviet narrative with an ET shot by the soviets and a jeep vaporized by the ET’s with a beam of light . . .
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=41&Itemid=2
Glossary of terms used in the disclosure coming from ‘Request Anonymous’
CAC: Controlled Agency Contact
CIA: Central Intelligence Agency
CO: CIA Case Officer
CRAFT: alien spacecraft
FAC: Foreign Agency Contact
HQ: Headquarters
KGB: Komitet Gosudarstvennoy Bezopasnosti (Committee for State
Security)
NOC: Non-Official Cover (NO diplomatic immunity extended)
NSA: National Security Agency
OCCUPANTS: alien beings
PG: Polygraph
RA-049: Moscow CIA Station
CAC-049-0031: Reporting station for Controlled Agency Contact [49]
followed by his number [31]
What follows is the text of the report put into the public domain as of 21st August, 2007 - via one of the DIA 6 - AKA ‘Request Anonymous’.
The full details, including photographs of the report can be found at the Open Minds forum and the Serpo website.
“On 22 Jan 85, CAC made contact through agent-communication-device-AN23,
signaling the CO that a contact was requested. On 23 Jan 85, the SC
approved a plan to conduct a closed interview of CAC at site 4-SO-P-6.
The CO, with the assistance of CO2, CO3, CO4, CO5 and NOCS-223 and
NOCS-101, made contact with CAC. The counter-surveillance report is
attached.
Contact was made at site 6. A polygraph (SC requested a routine PG) was
administered. NO deception was noted. The entire interview was recorded
both on audio and video by CO3. The language used during the interview
was in Russian. CAC advised of the following:
On 12 Jan 85, while working normal duties at Regional II, Soviet
Control Center Command, CAC was informed of an incident at the Ceremchovo ICBM facility involving a UFO. Specific information was requested by Command
Central. CAC read the initial cable from the on-scene Soviet commander.
The initial cable reported that a UFO had landed northwest of missile
site K3. Soviet military personnel responded to the scene. A
dark-colored UFO was found on the ground east of the missile command
facility. One missile technician was standing near the east boundary,
looking at the UFO. As Soviet military personnel came within close
proximity of the UFO, two (2) occupants of the craft exited through a
door. The occupants approached the east perimeter fence of K3.
Soviet military personnel challenged the occupants to stop. Three (3)
of the four (4) occupants stopped. The fourth occupant continued to
advance towards the fence. One Soviet Military Security official fired
several rounds from an AK-47a rifle, hitting the occupant. The occupant
fell to the ground.
The three (3) other occupants advanced towards the injured occupant and
retrieved the body. The four (4) returned to the craft. Approximately 2
minutes later, an opening appeared on the side of the craft. A
BLUISH-GREEN BEAM OF LIGHT came out of the craft and struck an
unoccupied jeep, COMPLETELY VAPORIZING IT. As the author of the report
being read by CAC stated, the JEEP JUST DISAPPEARED.
An armored vehicle moved up towards the craft and fired a volley of
12.7mm rounds at the craft. The craft was struck near the undercarriage.
The four (4) occupants, minus the injured occupant, exited the craft
and walked towards the Soviet military personnel. As one of the on-scene
commanders stated, the four (4) occupants did NOT appear to be afraid.
They approached the armored vehicle and sat on the ground. Soviet
commanders on scene assumed the occupants were surrendering.
Several attempts were made to communicate with these occupants using
the Russian language. The occupants did not seem to understand the speaker.
The occupants were carried to a jeep and transported to the
Saskylach-Kovo Military Barracks, Building Number 45. (Note: CAC-049-63
had reported Building Number 45 was KGB headquarters for Region II,
command center. This information was verified by NSA source Echo-3.)
The occupants were placed inside detention cells, one (1) occupant per
cell. CAC arrived at Saskylach-Kovo Military Barracks, Building Number
45 on 13 Jan 85. CAC was allowed to enter each cell and attempt to
communicate with the occupants. CAC used English, French and German
languages. The occupants would appear to listen while CAC was speaking,
but would not answer. The occupants appeared to be very passive.
Two (2) other KGB officials, one speaking Spanish and the other
speaking English, attempted to communicate, but to no avail. The Soviet Military
Command Center commander advised that Moscow was requesting the
occupants be flown to Military Barracks 10 (intelligence historical
records indicate Barracks 10 was located in Obninsk, south of Moscow).
On 14 Jan 85, at approximately 0630 hours, the CELLS where the
OCCUPANTS were located were EMPTY. NO signs of a forcible exit was observed. The CRAFT, which was being guarded by the elite Soviet Border Patrol Branch
G, ALSO DISAPPEARED. CAC reported Soviet KGB officials took over 100
PHOTOGRAPHS and one (1) video recording of the occupants. CAC provided
25 copies of the photographs to this [CIA] CO.
ANALYSIS – SOURCE: CAC is well known to HQ. He has reported RELIABLE
information for the past 22 years. CAC is the best deep access agent
available to our operating location. The information provided by CAC is
somewhat UNBELIEVABLE based on the SUBJECT MATTER.
However, this CO feels the information warrants further study. CO feels
additional assets should be directed towards the target area to confirm
CAC’s information. Examination of the photographs revealed the
occupants DID NOT APPEAR TO BE HUMANS. We will allow HQ analysts to make a more accurate interpretation of these photographs.
PLAN OF OPERATION:
After conferring with the SC, the CO will plan a course of action to
determine the reliability of CAC and the credibility of the information
provided by CAC. Sierra report will accompany this report.
[BLACKED OUT information.]
049-004”
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"I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick-***.... And I'm all out of bubblegum."
More gleanings:
from
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=20&Itemid=2
part of doc below
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Seinu Disclosure - The ‘TC Group’ (full text)
Written by Bren Burton
Wednesday, 05 September 2007
As you may already know, we have at the ‘OM’ Forum been developing a team of researcher who specialise in UFO /Alien disclosure.
Although we have specialised in getting to the bottom of the SERPO disclosures, we have also been in contact with a number of other sources, who also have disclosure information.
Certainly, since the beginning of 2006, the ‘disclosure movement’ has moved up ‘a-pace’.
Note: ‘Charlie’ and ‘Lucy’ may refer to the Schultz
‘large headed’ characters of the period. NASA,
also use the ‘Peanuts’ terms for a lot of their
project code names.
The disclosures being looked at here are exclusive to OM - and the source, for now will be referred to as ‘TC’.
We have been sitting on the TC disclosures since March 2006. We do not apologise for doing so, rather we wanted to undertake some clandestine research instead of muddying the Serpo waters even more.
We now think it is time for the TC disclosures to sink or swim on their own merit.
We present below the entire disclosures to date, and will up date them as and when they develop.
The thread will be locked to ensure only the pure data gets published, however, feel free to open threads to address which ever aspects you want to discuss / analyze.
You will recognise some of this, as someone within TC registered here and posted some edited content on the main serpo thread.
It now has its own place. Here!
Note: ‘Charlie’ and ‘Lucy’ may refer to the Schultz ‘large headed’ characters of the period. NASA, also use the ‘Peanuts’ terms for a lot of their project code names.
Originally passed to the OM Research Team in March 2006
“I have been instructed to pass the following information on to you per my dear friends last request. You must bear with me as the information was relayed to me in his final days while on various medications and a morphine drip. Many words were slurred and his memory was failing, so he referred to a journal at times, which I now have in my possession. He kept dozing and I would have to remind him where he left off. May God rest his soul.
You may come to find the information somewhat shocking and unable to understand as ****** has. I pray the Almighty will look out for the inhabitants of this planet as the coming years will bring much misery. I pass on this information in the hope that you, as an unbiased observer, will make sure the public learns the truth.
All space programs are a cover that exists to deceive the people of this world. We have a space fleet, which is codenamed” Solar Warden.” There were, as of 2005, eight ships, an equivalent to aircraft carriers and forty-three “protectors,” which are space planes. One was lost recently to an accident in Mars’ orbit while it was attempting to re-supply the multinational colony within Mars. This base was established in 1964 by American and Soviet teamwork. Not everything is, as it seems.
We have visited all the planets in our solar system, at a distance of course, except Mercury. We have landed on Pluto and a few moons. These ships contain personnel from many countries and have sworn an oath to the World Government, also, known as the Bilderbergers. The technology came from back engineering alien-disc wreckage and at times with alien assistance.
The oil supply on Earth is and always has been renewable. We have known this since 1948 (he may have said 1958). The wars, diseases and oil crisis are just to keep the public from focusing on the real issues of government control and a presence not of this planet. We have the technology to rid the world of oil dependency and hunger, but it would destroy the world’s economies and the profits and control of some of our wealthiest families. I find this horrifying that 20+ families can control our world.
A few world government leaders learned of ALF’s, but with the approaching war, it became a low priority. ALF has since been renamed ABE and now EBE. (checks journal) Detlev Bronk came up with the EBE name and it has been used henceforth. These EBE’s were first seen around 1937 in Sweden and later Axis and Allied pilots reported seeing balls of light. These were the EBE probes, later called “Foo Fighters” during World War II. The Nazi’s were the first to retrieve a crashed disc in 1939.
These EBE’s set up numerous underground bases on our planet to monitor our progress. We have been in contact with four different EBE civilizations. Three are benevolent and unfortunately, one is not. The malevolent EBE’s have abducted many of us to help their dying race. We the human population are their experiment. They have made human clones that lack consciences and hybrids. For some reason, we have yet to identify, they are unable to clone themselves. Their intent is to take over this planet and use us as a food source to prolong their lives and as slaves. Factions within our government are even attempting to aide these creatures.
We have been in communication with these, now known, hostile EBE’s since 1953. This was after seventeen more alien-disc crashes and retrievals by our military, along with sixty-eight dead EBEs and body parts from Earthly animals and humans. The outskirts of Laredo, Texas was the location of the last crashed alien-disc. This disc was enormous and could not be transported, so it was buried were it lay and still is to this day. Another survivor was taken prisoner in 1951, and we nicknamed her Lucy, also, known as EBE-2. She confirmed the same information as our first prisoner, Charlie.
I forgot to explain how our prisoner, Charlie, came to be in our control. He was the only survivor from two crash sites. (checks journal) One was south of Roswell, New Mexico on Pine Lodge Farm, and the other near Azteca, New Mexico that our military retrieved in 1947. A civilian found the EBEs. His name was (checks journal) Gerald Anderson and he gave the EBEs water, which they rubbed on their bodies, but they refused food that was offered to them. The military, later, discovered the Pine Lodge Farm crash site and took Mr. Anderson and two of his family members to Roswell’s base for interrogation. They were threatened with death due to the national security issues at that time.
The living EBEs were being taken to Roswell and then transferred to facility YY-ll (I think that’s what he said) at Los Alamos. One of them began having a seizure and died. The three EBE remains were carefully packaged and frozen. Los Alamos was the only facility around that had a freezer that could hold the three bodies. Two Army Air Force personnel stationed at Roswell Army Air Base died within days from exposure when trying to crate the craft’s wreckage. We later confirmed it to be from radiation poisoning. Precautions were taken and the EBE bodies and discs were flown to Wright-Patterson.
We learned that the EBE-1, later called Charlie, was an engineer. He had a device attached to his diadem that allowed him to communicate with us. Charlie was deceptive at first. We learned he did not like the temperature below 77 degrees Fahrenheit, so we used that to our advantage and manipulated the heating system to get him to talk. He began to divulge an incredible tale. To this day, we are still not sure if all is true, as it could destroy man’s faith in religion and our understanding of this universe.
Their race is from a planet called Seinu and is in the Zeta Reticuli system (this is now their adopted home-?). (I’m trying to get him to tell me, again, where they originally came from) Their birth planet is in the Betelgeuse System, but is now uninhabitable. They were peaceful and traded with another race in a nearby star system. War broke out between them 3900 years ago Earth time (could not understand the name of the race, will ask later). They destroyed their enemy and in the process lost their home due to the use of genetic weapons. All plant and animal life began to die as well as their people. They found that over a few hundred years, the genetic weapons had begun to alter their offspring (? I believe that is what he said) and no longer could they reproduce or eat as they once had. Their physical features changed as well.
They are grayish-white in color with a scaly body and about 3-4½ feet tall. The scales were very tiny similar to a white snake. Teardrop shaped head with large, slanted cat eyes, a large protruding nose and a slit for a mouth. Lips were not seen on the mouth, but they had tiny sharp teeth. The Seinuvians seemed fragile with a thin neck supporting such a large head. They also had two arms with four fingers on each hand that had a suction cup on the end of the fingers. There bodies tapered down their legs to two feet with four toes that had claw nails similar to dog’s nails. When they turned, the entire body turned in unison. I don’t believe they could swivel their heads. (fell asleep)
They began to explore planets in other star systems until they found Seinu, with what remained of their species. As time passed, they discovered Earth and wanted to construct an outpost, but their leaders decided against it for unknown reasons. Charlie did state that they returned many times for the natural resources and to watch the advances of our people. We call them Seinuvians, at least this is what we have learned to call them as we are unable to pronounce their name.
(He jumps back to Lucy) Charlie and Lucy were allowed to see each other, although no words were spoken. We found it rather odd they enjoyed touching each other’s heads. It may be a hug or affection in their terms. (checks journal) We allowed them two hours a day to visit. Some of our scientists and military personnel believed they were able to communicate telepathically, even though they were housed in different buildings within the facility. Our scientists set up experiments to block their telepathic waves and were successful by February of ‘52, using radar. This information was used later to bring down more discs, until they figured out what we were up to and were able to defend against it.
Charlie and Lucy tried to explain that they needed a liquid food source to sustain them. We started out by grinding chicken parts and then blending it with the chicken blood. This made them both ill. We later tried pigs and I believe horses, but eventually found cows suited them the best. Both Lucy and Charlie would rub the blended liquid on their bodies and we could see the liquid being absorbed into their scaly skin. Charlie mentioned the genitals and eyes were a favorite of theirs. (fell asleep)
(After he woke, I reminded him where we left off) Somehow, (I think he said a rouge group within the government allowed) the Seinuvians to know we had Lucy and Charlie, and they wanted them back, but in our arrogance, we refused. The UFO reports in the New Mexico area, at that time, were actually scout ships looking for their survivors. As a warning to show their superiority over us, they began to interfere with our missile and (rocket-?) tests. We nearly had a nuclear explosion in NY, where we housed two nuclear weapons in a well-known university. The Seinuvians triggered the timing mechanism on one of the devices for a few seconds as a warning to us.
(checks journal) After numerous, unsuccessful attempts to intercept the UFO’s with Scorpions and Starfires, we realized that we were in a pickle. We had some recovered technology and weapons systems from the alien-disc wreckage, but we were still in the experimental stages and we didn’t want to tip our hat to them. We did not have the mechanical or scientific understanding to duplicate their technology at that time.
In April of ’52, Charlie began having health problems and died. Lucy was allowed to see his body and began to make high-pitched wailing sounds. She may have been grieving or conducting a ritual. Her health became a concern as well.
Our decision was finally made after a fleet of UFO’s flew over the (checks journal) White House, Capitol Building and the Department of Defense on July 19th, 1952 and, again, on July 25th, 1952. President Truman, finally, ordered the military to make contact to arrange the release of Lucy. Truman, in ’52, asked the CIA and later the NSA to broadcast a message to the Seinuvians that we wanted to discuss a treaty. This became known as Project Sigma and it was successful. In ’53, the military formed “Alpha Teams” to find and retrieve crashed discs and any aliens found at the crash site. This was called Project -——— Project Pounce.
President Eisenhower comes aboard in ’53 as I did. When he realized the threat was real, he contacted the Soviets, British and a few other trustworthy heads of state. Later this became the Bilderberger group. They met to discuss the threat and decided to work on weapons to bring down these creatures. In 1954, Eisenhower met the delegation of Seinuvians at Murdoc in California. Lucy was returned to her people and a treaty was signed to allow the abduction of a few thousand humans for an exchange of technology. A list was to be kept, so we could track these people following their abductions.
By ’55 we realized the Seinuvians had broken the treaty. Tens of thousands of people had been taken, some, multiple times. Others were not returned or found mutilated along with an increase in cattle mutilations. This is when I first learned that cow’s blood is very similar to human blood and can, in emergencies, be used as a substitute. They continued to interfere with our military installations and missile tests.
The Soviet Union and the U.S. had recovered 10 more discs and 27 more bodies. One disc blew up in the air at the Proving Grounds. Some of the alien bodies had autopsies performed on them. We found they did not have a digestive system, just a sac that allowed the storage of the food they absorbed through their scaly skin. Their blood was green in color and gave off an offensive odor. They also did not have kidneys or bladders.
Eisenhower believed the only way to defeat the alien technology was to play along with them until we could defend ourselves against them. By ’56 we had a surprise visit by a second alien group. They were called the Etherians, we called them the handsome people. They were humanoid and tall, probably 6’-3” to 6’- 6” and had athletic bodies. Many of the military men had to be dismissed, as they could not stop staring at the Etherian women. They warned us that the Seinuvians were hostile and were attempting to genetically engineer our race to fit their needs. They would help us if we would destroy all nuclear weapons and attempt to become a peaceful race. We refused and thanked them. They did leave a communication device with us if we changed our minds.
When Kennedy came into office, he was anything but shocked. He knew about the alien presence and the discs we had in our possession. He forced our military to release pieces of the alien technology to companies around the U.S. to back-engineer. The companies were told the technology was from the Soviets or Chinese. He later threatened to disband the CIA if they did not stop the drug trafficking and warned he was going to announce to the American people that aliens were real and felt they were ready for the information to be released. As you know he was murdered. Oswald was not the shooter, nor did he fire a single shot. It was members of the Secret Service and CIA, under orders from the Bilderbergers. Kennedy became the second martyr to date following the murder of James Forrestal. I want it to be known that I did not agree with either murder and was not involved in any way, shape or form and only learned about them after the murders. I truly liked Kennedy; he was an honest man except for his many affairs, which I cannot fault him.
There is much more to disclose to you, but I will leave that to ****** to take care of after my death. I did want to discuss this load of manure called Project Serpo. The true name is Project Serponia. I guess someone shortened it to make it sound more interesting. We did train personnel as astronauts during that time frame, but I do stress that under no circumstance did we exchange our men for theirs. We already knew what they were capable of and would not put our men in harms way. The project was to fool anyone from discovering the truth and lead them on a wild goose chase. You may find it interesting that the group disclosing this false information is only seeking monetary gains and fame. This aviary group and disinformation group are the ringleaders in this charade. I am astonished that no one to date has checked the military background of Victor Martinez.
It’s quite hilarious to see so many gullible people jump at straws. This Ryan fellow is just a patsy that got in the way and has now twisted the events to fit his cult project. Most of the information he has released from the so-called Anon #2 is not even in the Serponia files. I believe he has made them up or has had help from others. On the other hand, Anon #1 was quoting from the Serponia files, which is still false information with some truth included. ****** will pass on the remaining information I have for you, but not until this Serpo baloney is put to rest.
My dear friend has passed. He did leave much more information to send to you at a later time. This includes copies of his journal. For my own safety, I have copied all information and sealed them in accordion folders and have given them to (removed) people who I can trust. You will be #(removed) if you so desire, but I must warn you, it could cause you serious harm if a certain group was to find out. [...] All information from me will have this included as a code to let you know it’s me ——— “
Passed to the OM Research Team - 03 April 2006
“(name removed),
I must apologize for my grandson’s harsh behavior. He’s worried and was trying to protect my family and me. (removed)
What my grandson told you was correct. They can search all they want, but shall never find the journal. It’s in a safe place. We have a tail, as my grandson puts it, that follows us around town and even a helicopter was seen above us twice. It is just for little old me, what a waste of taxpayer’s money.
I have brought my wife home and we now have made it our mission to bring out the truth my friend, hereafter known as “J”, provided us. We are quite nervous and hope that in some way you may be able to help us in the near future.
At “J’s” funeral, we were astonished at the site of many distinguished people. As I was preparing to leave, a man approached and said verbatim, “Mr. *******, I am truly sorry for the loss of your friend. He will be missed by many.” He then took my hand into both of his and shook it. As he did, he slipped a sheet of paper into the cuff of my shirtsleeve. As he turned to walk away, he said, “Goodbye Mr. *******,” and winked his eye.
I have never seen this man before and was uneasy as to his intensions. As I climbed into the limousine, I pulled the note out and read the message. It was an address, date, time and a sequence of numbers. My wife told me to throw it away. I must admit, (name removed), that I was curious and felt a need to learn why I was given this message, so I went.
You may be to young, but I use to listen to the mystery shows on the radio as a young man. It was such an adventure to imagine you in the hero’s role fighting the evil. My how things have changed. I do not care for television, as I believe it corrupts our children.
Two days following the funeral I went as instructed and brought along a friend who is a retired police captain He has a permit to carry a firearm, which made me feel safe. We drove the thirty minutes to the city where we came to a five-story building with a security gate. My friend took the message and punched in the sequence of numbers written on the bottom of the note. The gate opened and we drove up a ramp into a parking garage. We walked over towards the elevator and my friend tried the stairwell door, but it was locked. The elevator started moving, but we could not activate it due to a box similar to a credit card scanner that was on the wall. I guess you needed a special card.
The elevator opened and the same man, who had given me the message, waived us into the elevator. There must have been a hidden camera near the doors. He turned a key and we went up to the fifth floor I believe. Another man was standing there when the doors opened. He asked me to raise my arms and proceeded to frisk me. My friend was not frisked and was told to sit on the couch near an office door. The first man escorted me into the same office and that’s when I saw an earpiece on his right ear. Secret Service?
I was told to walk into another office and I opened the door and two men were sitting on a long couch. I’ll tell you, (removed), I would never of guessed it would have been someone from the WH administration. PW and BM asked me not to use their names, only their initials, due to government computer tracking software. They stood up as I approached them. We shook hands and for the next three hours we discussed “J’s” journal, information that is not in the journal and what is to happen following the meeting.
We have friends now that can help! They knew about “J” and how he wanted the public to know about some of the things he shared with you. I am still breathless over this meeting. PW gave me a sheet with the items we had discussed, so I wouldn’t forget. He also asked that you release the information I originally gave you, “ to start the ball rolling,” as he put it. The information is to be put on your Serpo forum. On the sheet it has proboards21, do you know what that is? I do not own a computer and must rely on others to transfer information to you, as I am doing with this message.
They seemed to know your whereabouts and even mentioned you were a (removed). Is this true? They knew too much in my opinion.
Anyway, they asked me to mention the following:
Ø About 3,000 years ago, the Seinuvians had a coup that allowed their military to take control. They were prevented from taking control of Earth by another group of aliens, but did establish small military outposts.
Ø Pyramids throughout the world were for sacrifices to appease the Gods, who turned out to be the Seinuvians. They used the blood and bodies as a food source.
Ø Genetic modifications of our food source to prevent the Seinuvians from abducting our people and cattle.
Ø Altering our water supply to prevent them from using our water sources.
Ø At least 63-underground/underwater alien bases on Earth.
Ø Movement of troops and weapons to prepare for the alien invasion due to start in a few years. God, I hope this is not true.
Ø Seinuvians have begun to alter our weather to warm the planet for their needs. Global warming, melting polar ice caps and increases in CO2 and ultraviolet light.
Ø A genetically engineered human, created by the Seinuvians that has a conscience. He escaped and is trying to aid our world. He is extremely intelligent and telepathic. They call him J-Rod. Have you heard of this? Seems far-fetched to me.
Ø Asteroid was sent towards Earth by the Seinuvians only to be destroyed by the Etherians. Another race of aliens, which I believe “J” mentioned before. I’ll have to look when I see the journal again.
(name removed), I will send the rest of the information to you from “J” as soon as I can get access to the journal again. I feel as though I’m on a roller coaster ride. Scared, excited and wondering about what is to come next and hoping not all the above is true. Until next time my friend. “
Passed to the OM Research Team - 11th May 2006
“(name removed),
If you will go through the information I sent a while back, you will see that I did mention an asteroid that was sent towards Earth. This asteroid was later confirmed to be comet SW3. Our friends diverted this danger causing it to break apart. If you check NASA’s web site, they confirm that this comet was not in an area with that amount of external force to cause it to separate and are still puzzled.
Tracy, California - August of ‘98, a “protector” lost one of of the three coils in the engine and began to emit a green vapor. It began to descend and glide back towards California, trying to make it to Edwards. Unable to reach that point, it turned towards the Livermore Lab. As it approached, F-16s were sent to intercept this bogey. Security forces from the lab fired upon the plane with a lazer cannon, which had been developed three years earlier. The plane began to spin and both pilots ejected safely. The crash site was just outside the lab boundaries, near a school.
The owner of a nearby tire recycling plant witnessed the episode and went to help. Security forces and the military from the lab responded and told him to leave. A half hour later, his tire recycle plant was set on fire as a diversion to keep the public from the area. The owner saw them setting the fires and tried to stop them only to die from a heart attack. Two large tractor trailers were brought in and the wreckage was removed while others repaired the damage. Local reports were that it had been a meteorite, but no one bothered to check out the story. Numerous witnesses and still not talked about. Three separate sources have sent this information to me, each from a different agency.
Cape Girardeau - Pre Roswell 1941. The first true crash of an exterestial vehicle. Leo Stringfield and later Tim Cooper wrote about this story. You can check out the information yourselves. What wasn’t reported was that the exteresstial vehicle was repaired in 1942 and flown by our military, only they crashed and destroyed it. It was going to be used as a psychological tool against the axis powers. What the allies didn’t know was that Germany had retrived a disc in ‘39. The three occupants were the same Seinuvian race discussed in my prior e-mails.
As I explained to (name removed) earlier, Slyvester is an alias. Tacitus is a shill.
More to come.”
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 13:15:31 -0700
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The information is authentic and verified. I’m told that the IP is ours, but we did not authorize the release. A virus was found attached to software and something was stolen from us and sent to an unknown source. In the process, a draft were sent out as well. We were tracking down other witnesses (non military) who would publicly verify the accounts were indeed true when this happened. In the pipeline, we have very bright computer experts that have worked for the very same ones that may have done this. The IP that you see is not where the information is being relayed. I think they called it IP bouncing or ricochet.
[removed] - [removed] spoke with someone in our pipeline last night and relayed your message and offer. Thank you, but from my standpoint, people are not ready for that amount of information to be dumped into their laps. We, as a human race, are not ready. From what I have been told, there is, too, much bickering and fighting between investigating groups. And with that statement, the same can be said for the forums. Numerous Intel and investigation group members frequent these forums to disrupt and drop hints and lead you away from the subject at hand. We will not allow “J’s” information to be twisted in this manner and it goes against his initial request.
[removed], Mods and members of the forum - “J” did not want his information to be released until the other was done, but in my haste and urging from others, including PW, I went ahead and sent some information to Lucianarchy per “J’s” request. That was a mistake. I’m being told that instead of investigating the incidents themselves, certain people spout out nonsense as fact. A little digging would show that we are correct, as we have spent the time investigating and talking to numerous witnesses.
Many have, in fact, verified the information presented to you. We now have over 100+ assets and growing each day that have confirmed about one-third of the journal logs. At this point we can tell you the information released to date is accurate, except for one detail. The number of e-races now exceeds twenty. I cannot explain why “J” knew of only four. All we have are hunches.
An example of our search for truth is the fact that we have 2,027 pictures in our possession. Out of those 1,623 are fakes. The rest were given to an expert to run tests and she found that 394 do not come from the period indicated or were proven to be doctored in some manner. That leaves us with the original 10 pictures that “J” had given to me. But we have to assume they are fakes as well until witnesses can either confirm them or we find collaborating evidence. Do you see the problem we face? Either we give in to your desires and contribute to the problem or we release evidence based on proof and witnesses. We will always choose proof.
Due to my health, I’m spending my last few months traveling with my wife and seeing my family and friends. I will be passing on all control to others. If they choose to communicate with you, then, you will receive word soon. If not, then you can imagine why, based on what they have told me. To doubt is logical and sane, but at some point you must realize the truth has been before you the entire time.
My last information:
Only one-third of all sightings and abductions are by EBEs. The rest can be traced back to the dark-half of our governments. We have boxes of documents sent to us stating that tests and abductions were done mainly at night, but they were so bold as to believe people would believe they were UFOs/aliens that they now do these tests and abductions during daylight hours as well.
September of ‘65 - Exeter, New Hampshire - One of the retrieved discs was test flown by a contingent of American and British military pilots. After nearly colliding with a few moving vehicles, it managed to land hard behind a row of trees and near a set of railroad tracks. One pilot broke his neck and died, two others were seriouly injured. Another pilot took control of the damaged disc and flew it at a near 135-degree angle back to Pease Air Force Base. This disc was not repaired and flown again until ‘75 when our technology was able to duplicate the technology of the part needed. Many witnesses, some are former military men that were at the base when the disc returned, one of the pilots and eight civilians that witnessed the incident.
From everything we are able to find and told by witnesses, J-rod’s blood is the key. Teams of scientists using his blood have conducted RNA/DNA manipulation on many humans. Many of the abducted are children, as they have less contamination in their systems and are less likely to struggle. Pregnant women are also tested to see the effects on the unborn fetuses in early terms. The sperm of men were not affected and all tests with men have ceased and the subjects terminated.
It’s not what’s above, but below that matters.
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I wish all the best in seeking out your own truth, but you may not like what you find in the end!
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Jun 11, 2006, 12:51pm
We were given an audience with a former high-ranking official and for more than two hours he explained the purpose and the feedback it has given this group.
As we had figured out before, the higher your clearance the more truth you were allowed to receive.
Unfortunately, the dark side also had a suspicion, this started during the early ‘60’s, that a few people with high clearances were divulging secrets, by word of mouth or acts of treason by screening classified material. To counter it, they would allow “employees” to learn of a false top-secret project or information. Depending on where the “employee” was working, he/she learned of this particular project/information and if a leak occurred, it could be traced back to that group of “employees” only.
They devised a setup that was two-fold in its release.
1- would show how the material was leaked to the outside and by whom.
2- once the material was released, track the flow and study where it may lead. It was a bonus to them when these projects hit the Internet and they learned the identities of those viewing the information and for study in the near future tests.
Now, notice I said near future. This is in part due to more of these types of setups that are going on at this time and more to come. There is truth n all this and it will be explained below.
Some members of the Bird group are involved and were told of these tests. Please note: the rest of these birds are innocent and just as clueless. We don’t know who fits into which
category and he would not divulge this information. Damn, he would only smile and it P’d us off.
The reason we asked for a meeting with him was due to us catching an asset trying to pass off a third story, which we knew to be fake. We put 2 and 2 together and realized what was happening, but we wanted to verify this revelation and regrettably it has been proven true.
Now, the good news that you may know by now is that in all this comes some truth, at least in “J’s” case. This was not told to us, but rather he would smile if our question was confirmed and not if it was negative or false. It took us a minute or two to figure out what he was attempting and again this P’d us off regarding the game, but we needed his responses. After about 5 minutes of questions he halted the proceedings, wished us the best
and escorted us to the front door. The questions and responses are listed here.
Q - Was “J” involved in all these agencies as stated in his journal
and as
we tried to discuss with you?
A - Smile.
Q - Are there space-based aircraft?
A - Smile.
Q - Are they called protectors?
A - No smile.
Q - Are they known by other names?
A - Smile.
Q - Is the project/mission still called Solar Warden?
A - No smile.
Q - Was it ever called Solar Warden?
A - No smile.
Q - Did one of these damaged space-based aircraft crash trying to land at Livermore Lab in 1998?
A - Smile.
Q - Was it shot down as being an unidentified aircraft?
A - Smile.
Q - Was this due to its’ speed and location?
A - Shrugged his shoulders.
Q - Did they mistake it for a missile?
A - No smile.
Q - Was a laser used to shoot it down?
A - Smile.
Q - Was this space-based aircraft trying to land on the road that runs along the perimeter of Livermore Lab?
A - Shrugged his shoulders and smiled.
Q - Have we back engineered craft, disks, ships that are not… let’s put it this way, not from this planet?
A - Smile.
Q - Are we flying some of these recovered craft, disks and ships?
A - Smile.
Q - Are we being visited, the planet Earth that is, by multiple EBE
species?
A - Smile.
Q - More than 20?
A - Smile.
Q - Are some hostile towards us?
A - Smile.
Q - Is one of these EBE species from the Zeta Reticuli system?
At this point his facial expression changed and as we stated above, he rose, wished us the best and walked us to the front door without uttering another sound. I’m not sure if it was the question or he disliked something we did.
We have always said that we stand for disclosing the truth. In this instance, the truth is discouraging, but there’s a positive side as well. “J” was well respected and this pompous man confirmed “J’s” information to be true except for Seinu. What he didn’t confirm is what we were attempting to ask above.
We did learn some interesting facts regarding disinformation internet websites and Ufo groups, which I will discuss at another time.
I’m tired and today’s round-trip plane ride took its toll on me, but you needed this information ASAP. We will circle the wagons for now and go back to square one just to make sure we aren’t being fooled once again, but I doubt that.
I don’t have the heart to inform [code removed] due to his condition. It may be humane to let him pass on believing in Seinu.
[removed], we are sorry this has caused a bump in the road. It was verified with assets, but we know now they were from the same area this fake project was released from. In the end some truth was revealed and that is always a victory. We do have the rest of “J’s” material (not Seinu) and other information that was sent to us, but in light of what has happened, we will need a new system to verify before releasing. We will be in touch, but
it may be awhile.
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Jun 13, 2006, 8:34pm
TC:These coordinates were from two Canadian fishermen (who happened to witness strange lights enter the water in this vicinity at night and disappear), a Canadian asset (military, who confirmed a deep underwater entrance) and later confirmed by a British naval officer who was aboard an American vessel in this area during a joint U.S./Canadian torpedo test when an alert was broadcasted. All personnel were confined to the interior of the ship and the sonar and radar were ordered shut off. He wasn’t able to see what was occurring outside, but the ship began rocking, tossing some against the walls. After nearly an hour, all personnel were ordered back to their stations, but the sonar and radar were kept off. That night while he was having a smoke, he witnessed a small glowing object leave the water from that location and disappear. When he reported this to the American executive officer, he was pulled aside and told it was a planet and not to start rumors on his ship. We could not release this until the Canadian asset gave us the green-light.
“A few of us have returned from (removed) in which we viewed evidence a Colonel had in his possesion. We were amazed at the material, which included a 40-minute long video of an American or Russian military recovery team seizing two Grey bodies and parts from a downed disc. Incredibly no words were spoken, only hand movements. They then boarded an unknown and unmarked helicopter and began flying off when the helicopter disappeared!!! Possible cloaking??? After ten minutes the disc exploded and shrapnel flew everywhere.
We are in negotiations to obtain this information, but this Colonel wants a lot of $$$$$$ and we need to make sure the video is not a hoax. He is, also, negotiating with a news crew from the US. I’m not sure who they represent.
We are working on a few things, but need to verify with other sources. I’ll let you know this much, Serpo may be true regarding going to this planet, but we have only found evidence that [...](removed) Please keep that part secret as we need to verify with many other sources. The Russians, also, sent a few people to this planet three years later and our Russian contact might be able to get us documentation.
We are happy to hear you are recovering well. Our best to you.
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Aug 19, 2006, 5:12pm
Many of our other military assets have also been placed on alert status. Eight of which have been restricted to their bases. Six others have been told to stay within their city limits (near their bases) until further notice. Some of the other assets have not received an alert, but did report an increase in training for A2A tactics. We are unsure if this is just a drill or if something is known and being prepared for.
We spoke to two assets that have some knowledge of what is happening with SETI and have confirmed that Dr. Greer’s story does have some truth. There are two signals that have been received more than once. One has been traced to the planet Mars. Not a surprise!! The other is either a signal that has been boosted in strength from its location or the signal is getting closer to Earth. N/#/S/#/A/#/ has also been snooping around the facility.
Now, I saved the best for last. We believe we have found one of the alternate astronauts and are in communication with a middleman of sorts, who is figuring out a way to approach this individual and have him sit down and chat with us. We will keep you posted.
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From the TC group: Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2006 14:47:13 -0700
Although we approve of anonymous’ efforts to disclose truth, we feel they did not verify all the information. It’s our opinion that roughly 60 % of the information is accurate and a third of that was common knowledge.
The e-mail below was received from an asset, who was an assistant/colleague of one of those mentioned in the latest releases by anonymous. The header and names were removed for obvious reasons.
*****,
I pray all is well with you and the committee. ******* brought forth the latest Anonymous release to my attention, and I must comment on the accuracy of the information contained within.
Dr. ****** and our group did indeed work on two of the objects mentioned, but due to our limited technology, we were unable to duplicate the devices for many years. In 1961 or 1962, I believe, we were forced, against our better judgment, to use one of the devices to power a modified plane that could enter space and return safely. We later learned how to fly “the visitors” craft and had created a fleet of space-based planes, now operated by an international team of personnel. These planes, designed to be our first line of defense, do carry energy weapons captured from the crashed “visitor” craft and later duplicated.
Although this anonymous individual included factual information, some classified, the rest is pure rubbish. I would love to sit down with him and compare our stories and knowledge. Many of my former colleagues have contacted me, thinking I was anonymous, since I was extremely vocal of my views ages ago. You and the committee know that this is not so, as I would have proven myself with the files you now have in your possession.
I concur that all information obtained should be verified by many sources, but at some time you and the committee need to take a leap of faith and release the evidence, even if you are ridiculed by the masses. In the end, you will be vindicated by the evidence as disclosure takes hold and the “visitors” make themselves known to mankind in the next few years.
But be cautious, my friends. I applaud your efforts and energy to tackle such an extremely difficult and controversial subject for the human race, but there are those who will stop you and others at all cost. Choose your friends wisely, as you know my opinion of ****.
My new contact number is **********.
My best wishes,
******
Aug 25, 2006, 9:44pm
There is a positive outlook lately, the number of scientists who wish to speak with us has increased. Many of our assets wish to remain anonymous because of the threats of losing jobs, pensions, ridicule, physical harm and possible prison time. But they keep coming forward and helping.
To the impatient member by the name of N***, you need to go back and check out our information. We were asked to comment on the last release and since we had an asset who worked with the devices mentioned, we obliged OM.
We let you know from time to time what we are involved in. Not once did we promise the video, we only mentioned that we were trying to purchase it, and the asking price was to steep for us. If you want proof as to who bought it, check out the BBC as to who met Fidel Castro nearly two weeks ago. That’s right, Chavez, Chinese military personnel and Russian diplomats. The gentleman who purchased the video was with Chavez when he deboarded the plane and is standing to his left, two people behind. And another piece of information I bet you didn’t know, Cuba still has 2-3 missiles left over from the Cuban Missile Crisis. Our asset also informed us that Chavez wants the technology, “To keep the US out of his country.”
Now, to those that want more alien info, the Soviets sent their own team three years later. It seems the Seinuvians/Ebens (whatever you want to call them) felt the US was the superior race on our planet, but liked the Soviet communistic society. It reminded them of home!! The administrator was notified of this recently, but we asked to keep it secret until we verified it through sources.
I’m not sure where you got General from, but we did meet a high ranking foreign official and discussed the Seinu issue with him. We were monitored by video and recording devices and with armed security outside the door. His smiling was the only way he knew at the time to answer us; he said that he tried using his fingers at first, but we didn’t catch on to that. He was sent back to his home country shortly after that meeting and demoted. So if you don’t think there are risks involved, you are dead wrong.
We have been attacked numerous times through our computers, but our techno friends are to good. The bugs are masked in with popular software updates. We were also attacked by thewizardofzin@yahoo.comThis e-mail address is being protected from spam bots, you need JavaScript enabled to view it and we sent the info to a friend in Washington, D.C. It seems he and his department were already aware of both the address and attorney and are also looking into other irregularities. Do these attorneys have nothing better to do?
So ask yourself, why are they attacking if they believe the information to be false? The answer is, because we are closer than they want us to be.
When it comes to discussing Serpo, we have come across four different names for that project. The information differs regarding how many went, returned, gender, suicides and possible clones. We have found someone with the knowledge we seek, but he is refusing to talk with us at this time. All we know about him is that he was a candidate, the youngest of the group and spoke with some of the returnees, or so the claim is.
Riding on the Serpo coat tails? Give me a break. We are only seeking the truth and report both the good and bad. Information overlaps and we do come in contact with assets that have information about other projects, technology and even Seinu, Serpo and a few others. We have received contact from two Ufology researchers that wish to cooperate and assist us. And no, we are not going to tell you who they are. If they wish to come forward, then, so be it. We have thanked them and declined at this time, only for the fact that we are uncertain who to trust in this field.
To those who think this is a game, you could not be more off course. We have put our hearts and souls into this. The committee and research has become our second family. Just like with any other, you have the ups, downs and the rewards, too. “
Fri Aug 25 16:44:19 2006
“I just received a frantic call from one of the committee members, who was checking out some of the internet sites. Apparently, information is being confused.
We have in the past said Serpo was not completely true. As we found out the hard way, both Serpo and Seinu are basically similar and both had truth and fiction mixed into the cover story. We do come across information for both projects and at this point feel they are two separate e-races.
Now, the Soviets did go , but I must stress that we do not, at this point, know which solar system or planet they were taken. Our source is having trouble getting the information to us, due to the FSB and SVR watching every move his department makes. When more information is delivered, we will check it out and when verified, pass it along. His last message mentioned possibly the Zeta system, but he needed to get back into the vault and verify the information. It’s also difficult trying to match their e-race names to ours.
On a side note, I forgot to mention that an asset told us about a broadcast of a Soviet missile base that had been destroyed after attacking a disc with MIGs. It was shown on TV twice before being pulled. Hopefully someone taped it or knows where to find it, as we can’t seem to locate a copy.”
Aug 28, 2006, 12:02pm
OMRT Comment: As far as is known, the only time the email address was compromised was through publication on the Reality Uncovered web site, via Shawnna Connelly an admin of Reality Uncovered.
From TC Group Wed Sep 6 16:05:48 2006
We have heard from one of our assets overseas. He claims the Soviets went to Alpha Centauri A and the planet Seinu (Ñåèíó) is 1.62 astronomical units from that sun. He also mentioned one of the returning men was a clone and when discovered during medical tests, committed suicide.
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I hope [removed] has passed on the information regarding RU and their attempts to locate us. They are only investigating an innocent person at this point.
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From The TC Group - January 8th 2007
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We warned that many more players are connected in the Serpo game besides Doty and a few aviary members. Read this interview and it will explain the thought process behind those involved. It goes higher up the chain of command than previously believed. In the future, we will explain who, what why and the outcome they seek. Their games are not over, more to come. If our assets are correct, more truth will come out, but you must, again, dig through the crap to find it.
We will also update you, in the near future, on the “Pilot”.
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DS: I earned two masters degrees in physics: ‘67 Princeton, ‘77 Univ. of Maryland. In ‘77 there was a single occurrence of a singsong ‘voice’ one night. A brief perusal of a bible that had just been left by some Jehovah’s Witnesses gave me the impression that I might become involved with the advent of the ‘spirit of truth.’ This lent a spiritual color to what had been a secular inquiry.
The other experience lasted for about five days in June of ‘91. It seemed that I was in a state of heightened awareness in which mundane events could take on cosmic or mythic significance. Some events were actually experienced as a superposition of these two levels. I was in telephone contact with my younger sister who was having similar experiences at the same time. She was hospitalized for about a week as a result. I contacted a MUFON representative who was disappointed that there was no overt alien presence. Nonetheless, I was put in touch with Bob Oechsler who gave me Tom’s number at the CIA.
JD: What do you feel is the significance of this event?
DS: As I said, the first event steered me in a more spiritual direction. The second event had the effect of putting me into a more activist frame of mind, i.e. contacting people about UFOs and crop circles.
JD: Can you extrapolate on what you’ve learned about crop circles? Do you think they are a cosmic message to humans? Did MJ-12, in your opinion, send in the hoaxers and the media to cloud the message?
DS: Those circles have made a very significant impression on many people. The ambiguity of their provenance need not detract from that significance. I am thankful for that ambiguity. Isn’t this all part of the ‘Prime Directive?’ Did MJ-12 influence Time’s coverage of Doug and Dave? Are they thereby being paternalistic with the Truth? Yes, there is concealment before there is revelation. If not, there could be no creation, certainly not on this scale.
JD: What was your main impetus for wanting to be an information dissemination specialist between the intelligence community and the UFO community, using the Aviary as a go-between?
DS: I had no prior intent in that direction. I was well into my study of eschatology before meeting Tom. I wanted to find out what take the CIA might have on eschatology and possibly provide some input. Discussing the Aviary and the UFO community was a good excuse for a continuing contact with an intelligence officer who had relevant responsibilities.
JD: How would you describe your position as a “networker” between this group and the UFO community?
DS: From the beginning I was very open about my government contact. I began to network with some folks in the UFO community who were interested in sharing information. Through Tom I was put in contact with some other members of the Aviary and this all became grist for the mill. There was a lot of comparing notes and checking of information on both sides. At one point some of my UFO colleagues persuaded the CIA/IG (Inspector General) to conduct an internal investigation of Tom relative to his unusual methods of collecting information.
JD: Can you elaborate on these “unusual methods” and the implications of this generally in the field of civilian Ufology?
DS: Well, there was the fact that he was involved in domestic collections. He was making provocative statements to me about the possible presence of ET’s. He spoke freely of his involvement with other members of the Aviary. On several occasions we met at ‘nightclubs.’ He had ‘indelicate’ conversations with a female researcher. It was far from clear what was in the line of duty. He was interviewed by an IG officer. He reported answering all the questions directly, but told the officer that he could not answer any questions about ETs.
JD: What did you hope to achieve through these contacts and do you think you achieved it?
DS: That remains up in the air. I have certainly managed to enlighten one officer on the subject of metaphysics and eschatology. And because of that contact some of my ideas have circulated more widely in the UFO community than they would have otherwise.
JD: Your excellent web site, called The Eschaton, describes your end times beliefs as well as other fascinating matters. What is the background of your end times beliefs?
DS: After leaving school I struggled with mind/matter dualism for several years before reluctantly adopting an idealist or immaterialist metaphysic. It took a couple more years for me to see that some form of eschatology is inevitable for a mind-based cosmology. It also became clear that such a cosmology was compatible with some of the original beliefs and heresies stemming from the prophetic tradition of monotheism.
JD: How would you quickly describe what you feel is going to occur in this “end of the world as we know it” scenario?
DS: If history is to have any meaning, it must have a beginning, middle and ending, as does any story. Linear time will come to an end. Life will go on in some form, but not this one. The rigidities of space and time will dissolve. The boundaries between our different states of consciousness will become more fluid. The so-called Millennium will be our time for wrapping our mundane affairs and preparing for our transition to a less physical existence.
JD: Your Eschaton revelation comes to you via science as well as religion. How would you succinctly explain this to people who aren’t familiar with “new” physics concepts (realizing that people can go to your web site for more information)?
DS: As Physics has evolved, the world it describes is becoming increasingly more abstract, much more “thought-like” than “thing-like.” What is not abstract are just the ephemeral qualities with which our minds imbue those abstractions. As we awaken to the fact that reality is a projection of the cosmic mind of which we all partake, we will begin to exercise more control over the nature of that projection. This will be an extension of psychosomatics to sensorium that is our world.
JD: Do you know anything about a group called the Advanced Theoretical Physics Working Group, a group which was formed to integrate theories in “new” physics and remote viewing as these came to describe the nature of reality? In your opinion, how has quantum physics changed the modern view of reality, and what was the UFO’s role in this?
DS: I don’t know any group of just this name, but there are many folks doing this. I was once a ‘quantum dualist’ (i.e. the mind influences matter through the agency of quantum phase correlations). But once you have postulated a robust realm of the mind, it becomes increasingly difficult to view the world of physics as other than an abstract construction of the mind. The quantum may be weird, but UFOs are a lot more weird. With UFOs we are no longer talking physics. This is metaphysics with a vengeance. This is dream-time, not space-time. The UFOs are pulling the rug right out from under what we used to think of as our ‘reality.’ In the case of ‘MJ-12,’ with the best brains in the world it was like the cartoon of the fire alarm box. Behind the glass panel is a Bible. ‘In case of emergency, break glass.’ Now we know how MJ-12 felt. Imagine how much worse they felt when they opened the Bible to John 16:12 as I did one eventful morning about twenty years ago.
JD: This is interesting. I’m ashamed to say, I don’t have a Bible in the house. Can you explain John 16:12 and the relevance it had for you on this morning?
DS: John 16:12-13: 12. I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. (KJV) This was the passage that came to my attention on the morning after I experienced the sing-song ‘voice’ of Sophia(?). For the last two millennia people have interpreted this passage in many different ways. I interpreted it as a help-wanted notice directed at me. The folks of ‘MJ-12’ concluding that an advent of this sort was being prognosticated by the Visitors have probably been anticipating this moment of truth with some trepidation.
JD: So, which came first, Chicken Little or the Eschaton?
DS: The Eschaton by about ten years.
JD: How would you characterize the relationship between your Eschaton and the Intelligence community? Are there parallel beliefs, motives or modus operandi?
DS: Along with the rest of the UFO community, I believe that we have been visited. I believe that this visitation was in preparation for a messianic event which is imminent. That event will inaugurate our Millennium of preparation leading up to the Eschaton. The Aviary is the part of the intelligence community most closely and publicly associated with the ‘MJ12/Visitor’ complex. The messianic event itself, however, must be as spontaneous and independent of ‘MJ12’ and the Visitors as is possible. Thus the intelligence community will have very little direct input in this matter. National and global security will be largely redefined under the Millennial Aeon.
JD: OK, can we clarify this a little? What do the Visitors and UFOs have to do with the “messianic event”? What is the relationship between the Visitor phenomenon and the Second Coming of the Messiah?
DS: I am suggesting that the Visitors could be playing several roles that would be relevant to a messianic event. They would be an off-world advance team helping in the preparation. This would involve alerting the powers-that-be to the inevitable advent of the Messiah, Millennium and Eschaton. They would convince those powers that it would not be in their interest to interfere in the cosmic plan. The Visitors might then negotiate with these powers in selecting a mutually acceptable individual for the role of Messiah. The Visitors might also be overseeing the ‘abduction’ phenomenon in as much as it could be part of the preparation for the Millennium.>
JD: Am I missing something here? Isn’t there already a Messiah assigned to this role?
DS: This is a heterodox scenario. This is divine minimalism. Christians will be mightily disappointed, those who were expecting a figure in white robes to descend from the clouds. The idea is that we do not need theatrics this time around. There is a package deal. Whoever can convince the world of its immateriality and of the rationale for the Millennium and Eschaton, that person will be the Second Coming. Anyone who aspires to being this paradigm shifter should expect to play that role. I feel no need to apologize for personally wanting to put an end to the hegemony of materialism.
JD: You suggest that this messianic event must be separate from the Visitor phenomenon, meaning perceptually independent?
DS: Let’s back up a bit. I am saying that we humans constitute a very significant aspect of the cosmic mind. The First and Second Coming, in particular, are designed to awaken humanity to their central role in the cosmic plan. We don’t need to be told this, only reminded, so easily do we forget. Our memory only needs to be jogged a very little bit. Minimalism is the word when it comes to divine intervention, in keeping with the ‘prime directive.’ The perception of coercion is the very worst thing that could happen. If it appears that the cosmic plan is being imposed upon us, we would naturally react negatively. In reality this plan is of us, by us and for us. The messianic event is critical.
It may appear that I have just contradicted myself. From the previous response one might imagine a smoke filled room underground in Area 51 where the Visitors and MJ12 haggle over the identity of the Messiah to be ‘imposed’ on humanity. This hardly seems spontaneous. However, if these negotiations can be kept secret, then the intervention remains minimal. There can only ever be informed speculation as to what might have actually transpired. The ‘designated’ individual would have to convince her fellow humans as to the reasonableness of the hypothetical selection process.
JD: In your estimation, is it going to be possible to keep these events separate?
DS: The best I can do here is to give you a ‘for instance.’ Let’s suppose that I was the selected one. My unusual interactions with Tom, and some other events, might lead me to suspect this to be the case. It would then be up to me, however, to make this case to the public, where it could be accepted or rejected. Even if some others could be convinced of this possibility, there would be no implied coercion in their acceptance of the outcome. If I were right, however, others would eventually come around to seeing and agreeing with the reasonableness of the choice, even if this occurred posthumously.
JD: What will be the difficulties in keeping these events independent of each other?
DS: This choreography has not been easy. It may well be that WWII and the Cold War were necessary antecedents. Without these antecedents, MJ12 and the Visitors could not have been kept even partially secret. Incidentally, I suspect also that John Kennedy may have gotten wind of the plan and that his Camelot initiative may have been his attempt to go public with this plan prematurely. This preemption was not considered sufficiently spontaneous and so it was itself preempted.
JD: You are under the impression that the military will have to back off for the Eschaton. In what way then will “national and global security” be redefined under the Millennial Aeon?
DS: The de-emphasizing and downsizing of all militaries will necessarily gain momentum into the Millennium. Once we can agree upon our common purpose and destiny, our energies will be turned from competition to cooperation. The implication is that capitalism will also be de-emphasized.
JD: But with the push toward the militarization of space by the military-industrial complex, this doesn’t seem to be happening. The Space Command’s “future vision” is that of “protecting” capitalist interests in space. Do you foresee an “about face” in this dangerous military co-opting of outer space?
DS: Tom has allowed me to believe that there is continuing monitoring and possibly the occasional interdiction of UFOs. Whether this might extend to ‘Star Wars’ I have no idea. He is involved with conventional space technology for military applications. Will the military continue to involve itself in self-serving, possibly risky adventures on various fronts? I have no doubt. Experience shows that the military is more averse to risk than the elected politicians who exploit it.
JD: Is this the reason for the recent empowering of the U.N.? Are you talking here about the inevitability of the “New World Order” paradigm?
DS: I am talking about the advent of God’s Kingdom and about a New Heaven and a New Earth. As to who will play what roles, that is ultimately up to all of us to agree on. Anything that is shoved down our throats will likely come right back up.
JD: So then, can the chaos which characterizes the biblical Second Coming be partly described as a law and order breakdown?
DS: Let’s hope and pray that we have seen the worst of the chaos/tribulation in this post-Cold War decade.
JD: In your web writings, you have stated the following: “If our world is a creation, it is a creation that has put us in a special isolation chamber: isolated from other intelligent creatures and from the creator. It would have to be a very special creation that does not give us the appearance of a special creation.” You write: “Our isolation and the possibility of our uniqueness seem on the verge of gaining us a very hard-won solidarity.” You ask, “Would the creator jeopardize that vital solidarity with an eleventh hour revelation of our expendability?” Do you believe that Earth humans will survive the Eschaton as a matter of our natural evolutionary progress, or is there some belief system we must adhere to in order to survive? Can you extrapolate on this a little bit?
DS: My cosmology is anthropocentric, in agreement with the prophetic tradition. I give very little credence to anything beyond the mere appearance of Darwinian evolution. I do not believe that the ETs are more advanced than we are. They are simply less material, more interdimensional. It is we who inherit the oversight of the cosmos. A Millennium is vouchsafed to us before the Eschaton. The Eschaton will mark the end of our linear space-time manifold. The final barriers to our consciousness will dissolve in that process. We become one with God, whatever that may entail. ‘Sub specie aeternitas,’ the human historical drama is seen as the central pillar of eternity. Time is the final illusion.
JD: Let’s get back to your role in the Aviary. As a civilian networker for the Aviary, what types of information did you learn that most blew your mind? And how did this information affect your end-times beliefs?
DS: There has been a gradual realization that ‘MJ12’ and the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here. This is the scariest piece of information that I can impart. Tom has been responsible for closing down the phenomenology and psychic warfare programs. He is also active in planning for the scaling back of the Navy and Air Force. It is reasonable to infer that he has similar duties relative to ‘MJ12’. That may mean that I am a significant part of an effort to transfer the residual MJ12 responsibilities to the civilian sector. That is a sobering thought for myself and for any others who are inclined to participate.
JD: What do you mean by “the Visitors are no longer playing a proactive role, and may no longer even exist here”?
DS: The Visitors got their message across to those who needed to be informed. That was the point of their Earth mission. There may exist now a sequestered ‘star gate’ that can be activated for special purposes.
some interesting links:
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/25606
http://openmindsforum.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=29&Itemid=2
perhaps this one will be interesting to some.
http://www.bestpossibleworld.com/nexu69.htm
Ok Quix - add me to your list. I admit it - I’m interested!
;-)
sneakers
Sure sneakers;
Thanks for asking.
Dave, please add sneakers to your backup list.
Blessings,
BTW, this character’s two interviews are interesting . . . I think he’s likely either fallen for the GREAT DECEPTION and/or being used by the oligarchy to support it whether wittingly or unwittingly:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1414890945845401938
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