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Time to Fight Back Against"Angry Paranoid" Anti-Vaccinationists
Townhall.com ^ | January 24, 2008 | Michael Fumento

Posted on 01/24/2008 6:05:55 AM PST by Kaslin

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1 posted on 01/24/2008 6:05:56 AM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
--ditto--vaccination (before the lawyers got in the picture) could probably be cited as one of the few successful government programs---
2 posted on 01/24/2008 6:10:51 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: Kaslin

If these vaccinations are so safe then why do parents have to sign waivers for their children to receive them.


3 posted on 01/24/2008 6:12:04 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Duncan Hunter '08 Pro family, pro life, pro second Amendment, not a control freak.)
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To: freedomfiter2

—lawyers—


4 posted on 01/24/2008 6:14:49 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: freedomfiter2

There’s always a small chance of a severe allergic/immunological reaction, and no medical authority has ever claimed otherwise. That’s what the waiver is for. Vaccines do not cause autism, period.


5 posted on 01/24/2008 6:14:57 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Kaslin

Forget the mercury... why would anyone with a brain, take a shot where the odds of getting the disease are 1 in 1 million, but the odds of getting a very bad side-effect are in in 50,000?


6 posted on 01/24/2008 6:15:07 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: freedomfiter2

the key word in post #2 is LAWYERS....


7 posted on 01/24/2008 6:15:11 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: freedomfiter2
Why dont we actually see the raw data like we do with drugs instead of emoting about it.
8 posted on 01/24/2008 6:15:27 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: AmericaUnited
are in in 50,000? = are 1 in 50,000?

Damn vaccinnes, I never dropped/switched words before getting them...

9 posted on 01/24/2008 6:17:05 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: freedomfiter2
If these vaccinations are so safe then why do parents have to sign waivers for their children to receive them.

Nothing is perfectly safe. There are always possibility of allergic reactions, infections from unsterile needles, needles broken off in the arm, etc. However, the general idea is that having the vaccination is safer than not having it.

Now, how that balances out depends on how dangerous the disease is versus how dangerous the vaccine is. When smallpox was rampant, a small death rate from the vaccine was considered acceptable compared to the death rate of smallpox. With smallpox eliminated everywhere except for a few research labs, the smallpox vaccine isn't worth the risk. Is the polio vaccine worth the risk? Listen to a room full of children on respirators because their lungs no longer work and then answer that. Is the chicken pox vaccine worth the risk? I don't know if it is for a disease that is annoying rather than deadly.

We make decisions that put our lives at risk every day. Did you drive to work this morning? Some people in America died because they decided to drive today instead of hiding under their blankets. No one would say that cars should be outlawed because of the risk (no, not even Nader). Similarly for vaccines - the benefits outweigh the risks.

10 posted on 01/24/2008 6:24:01 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Rattenschadenfreude: joy at a Democrat's pain, especially Hillary's pain caused by Obama.)
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To: Kaslin
But if enough people free ride, herd immunity is lost and what follows is the return of childhood diseases we hardly think about anymore.

Conversely, if enough people "free ride" then we'll have a statistical base to see if there are developmental distinctions that may help identify problems with vaccines, such as animal viruses.

11 posted on 01/24/2008 6:29:28 AM PST by Carry_Okie (We have people in power who love evil.)
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To: KarlInOhio

There have been families with KNOWN reactions FORCED to take 2nd and third boosters.

SAFETY profile. 100% probability of a reaction vs. 1 in a million disease..


12 posted on 01/24/2008 6:29:31 AM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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Then that is a problem, but if their reactions aren’t known then their safer off taking the vaccine.

The general rule is this, if the chances of a person getting a disease are higher then the chances of a person having an adverse reaction to the vaccine, then you get the vaccine. Why can’t some people get that?


13 posted on 01/24/2008 6:33:50 AM PST by Raymann
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To: KarlInOhio

Since you mentioned your questions about the chicken pox vaccine, how do you feel about the push to make it mandatory? There are two questions here
1. Should vaccinations be mandatory?
2. To what level should parents have discretion concerning the timing of vaccinations? (For example, should I be “allowed” to refuse to vaccinate my newborn for a disease that is almost exclusive to IV drug users?)

Your analogy of driving is interesting, but consider this version. I agree that we all take risks when we drive, but how would you react to a government mandate that you avoid an intersection with known accidents and instead drive over a bridge of unknown safety?

In the end, the debate is all about the rights of parents to make decisions concerning their children.


14 posted on 01/24/2008 6:38:39 AM PST by 3Lean
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To: Kaslin

I don’t see why parents should be forced to have their daughters be vaccinated with gardasil.


15 posted on 01/24/2008 6:39:03 AM PST by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: 3Lean

my take is if you do not vaccinate your children, and your child gets a disease and passes it on to my children, are you criminally liable for my childs illness? I would say yes, and lock your butt up....


16 posted on 01/24/2008 6:46:24 AM PST by joe fonebone (When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout)
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To: dragonblustar

IMHO Gardasil is a bit of a different situation because it doesn’t protect against a public health risk; it protects against a personal health risk. I think it’s moronic for a parent not to have their child vaccinated with Gardasil, it doesn’t impact those of us out here in the world riding a subway with that kid. If a parent denies MMR or other vaccinations, that puts all of the innocent bystanders at some risk, and risks epidemics as well.


17 posted on 01/24/2008 6:47:00 AM PST by cammie
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FIX:

ALTHOUGH I think it’s moronic for a parent not to have their child vaccinated with Gardasil, it doesn’t impact those of us out here in the world riding a subway with that kid.


18 posted on 01/24/2008 6:48:09 AM PST by cammie
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To: AmericaUnited

It’s “for your own good” and any debate on the issue makes you a “ludite” or in the case of Governor Goodhair Perry’s HPV “executive order” a “prude”.


19 posted on 01/24/2008 6:48:17 AM PST by weegee (Those who surrender personal liberty to lower global temperatures will receive neither.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Is the chicken pox vaccine worth the risk?

Good question. Chicken pox is more annoying than anything, but it puts a person at more risk of having shingles later in life. I'm pretty sure my father in law wishes there had been a vaccine available. He gets ferocious, debilitating headaches with shingles.

20 posted on 01/24/2008 6:48:21 AM PST by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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