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Wilderness plan closes trails to bikes
The Durango Herald ^ | January 23, 2008 | Katie Burford

Posted on 01/23/2008 9:52:22 AM PST by george76

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To: Age of Reason

A sailboat is a mechanical device, a horse merely a collection of flight reflexes waiting to be triggered.

I rode in the mountains of Colorado, when I was at prep school in the Carbondale area. Give me a good mule any day. They are much more sure footed, far less likely to panic and kill themselves and their rider at the same time, etc.

There is the problem of horse exhaust, which all other trail users find vastly more objectionable than any motor exhaust.

Having said that, I have little sympathy for any hiker too dumb to keep its feet out of the horse exhaust piles on the trail.

A little courtesy wouldn’t kill any of the trail users.


61 posted on 01/23/2008 3:14:50 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: DuncanWaring

I thought they were talking about motorized bikes.

But no matter.

Mechanized vehicles don’t belong in places that are preserved for their natural beauty.

If people want to ride dirt bikes, I’ve seen plenty of rural garbage dumps with lots of bumps that should give them challenge enough.


62 posted on 01/23/2008 3:16:09 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: jazusamo
I can understand keeping motorized vehicles out of some areas but not mountain bikes.

I'll stick up for the environmentalists here. Wilderness areas are places to get away from the snowboard set. When hiking on a trail in the Collegiate Range in Colorado I had to dodge some swift bikers. It's not their place. They can bike in the city, as they aren't slowing down to look at the scenery.

The result of each user group should be considered. Wilderness should be for the most basic forms of transportation....and no frigging speakers.

63 posted on 01/23/2008 3:21:13 PM PST by Loud Mime (It is easier to wash dirt off your hands than blood = Gladiator)
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To: GladesGuru
a horse merely a collection of flight reflexes waiting to be triggered.

You'd be surprised how calm a properly trained horse can be--but nonetheless, wild places are a horses natural environment, so he should be deferred to. Bicycles have plenty of concrete and asphalt, horses have the little that is left of wilderness trails.

There is the problem of horse exhaust, which all other trail users find vastly more objectionable than any motor exhaust.

Horse waste products are biodegradable--good food for plants and animals.

Having said that, I have little sympathy for any hiker too dumb to keep its feet out of the horse exhaust piles on the trail.

Manure from a healthy horse is not objectionable once you get acquainted with it. It's like earth. I have no problem picking it up with my hands.

A little courtesy wouldn’t kill any of the trail users.

That's for sure.

64 posted on 01/23/2008 3:25:55 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Loud Mime
Wilderness should be for the most basic forms of transportation....and no frigging speakers.

Yes.

65 posted on 01/23/2008 3:27:46 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: VeniVidiVici

“I’m sure if you shoot a couple that would end.”

Probably true, but there is the problem that one should eat what one shoots.

Ever tried to dress and clean one of those things?

;-)


66 posted on 01/23/2008 3:37:06 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: gura
I hate to burst your bubble, but you're dead wrong.

Why don't you try to prove him wrong???

67 posted on 01/23/2008 4:29:05 PM PST by tubebender
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To: george76

They’ve been trying to do this for years now. Sad to see them push so hard to ban cyclist from the back country.


68 posted on 01/23/2008 5:19:44 PM PST by trussell (Searching for a new tagline)
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To: trussell

The liberals want to ban everyone from doing anything, anywhere.

Biking is just one check on their list.

Maybe some will wake up.


69 posted on 01/23/2008 5:44:23 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: GladesGuru

Not only cleaning and dressing them, but have you checked to see how expensive it is to ahve a mountian biker stuffed and mounted(on their bike, of course)?


70 posted on 01/23/2008 6:52:41 PM PST by passionfruit (When illegals become legal, even they won't do work American's won't do)
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To: GladesGuru
Ever tried to dress and clean one of those things?

LOL!

71 posted on 01/23/2008 8:08:19 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Benedict Arnold was against the Terrorist Surveillance Program)
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To: george76
Presidnt Bush is an avid mountain biker.

Time for him to do a little of this "stroke of the pen, law of the land" stuff.

Cheers!

72 posted on 01/23/2008 8:18:19 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Grampa Dave
10 k /year?

Ten...lousy...fricking...kilometers?

I can bike that much on a round trip to work!

/sarc>

(10,000 miles a year is 30 miles a day every day. Hats off to him, when does he find the time?)

Cheers!

73 posted on 01/23/2008 8:22:36 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Bush should lean on the BLM, USFS, NPS, USFWS...

He could have done so much these past years to help us, but...


74 posted on 01/23/2008 9:01:07 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: george76

Tell it like it is george.

I have been meaning to freepmail you some articles on the Forest Service, wilderness area land grabs, etc., I have come across while researching for some articles I have (over) due, and am sweating bullets to get done now.

Most of these I found on some links I have shared with you via freepmail, so you may have seen them. I’m leaving for the SHOT Show in Las Vegas in a week, will be there a week, so if I don’t get these to you before, I’ll freepmail them to you when I return.

Thanks for your pings, I haven’t been on FR much lately, but when I get back I’ll read them all.


75 posted on 01/23/2008 10:24:15 PM PST by girlangler (Fish Fear Me)
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To: grey_whiskers

“(10,000 miles a year is 30 miles a day every day. Hats off to him, when does he find the time?)”

He works hard and long during the wine crush, he often works 10-12 ten hour days. Fortunately, the weather is usually good and he rides his bike 35+ miles a day round trip.

Now, he is on 4-10’s and if the weather is good, he will often put in a a couple of 100 mile days during his days off. If the weather is half decent he rides to work most days.

In the spring, summer and early fall, his truck barely gets used as he rides his bikes to and from work.

Riding his bikes is a passion and a way of life for the past two decades.


76 posted on 01/24/2008 7:06:41 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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To: editor-surveyor

Roger that!!

Love those machines!!


77 posted on 01/24/2008 9:03:07 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: george76

He is way too busy making nice with the left-wing nuts!


78 posted on 01/24/2008 9:09:08 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Grampa Dave
I am *deeply* jealous.

I did have a 20-mile each way commute down in Phoenix, but with the heat and hills I only did the full thing once a week; most often getting dropped off halfway.

Shea Boulevard in Scottsdale is *NOT* bicycle-friendly.

I did bike the round trip once (!) in 108 degrees. Took me 2 hours, 45 minutes to get home 20 miles.

Now that I have moved back to my beloved Minnesota I can bike both ways but it is only 3 miles each way. But my toes can only take it down to about 4 below.

I have started a new fitness program (P90X, Beachbody, as seen on TV infomercials) which is taking the place of cycling for now.

Cheers!

79 posted on 01/24/2008 4:22:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

I had to give up my mountain bike a few years ago. My chain slipped as I came into our driveway and hit the lip between the driveway and the street.

So I was being flipped head first over the handbars, and I stopped my flip and came down without a fall with a sudden stop. The sudden stop tore my bicep head and retore my rotator cuff. The pain was so bad I thought that I was having a heart attack, and then I realized the pain was in my right shoulder and behind my right shoulder.

We left for Oregon the next day, and I was a miserable old dog for the whole trip. No fly Casting or real hikes. I couldn’t sleep at night.

When we got home my wife told me to see my doctor or she would divorce me. When I described the accident and the pain, he touched me on the bicep head. It took him and the nurse to scrape me off the ceiling.

Amazingly enough, I recovered fairly well in a couple of months. The only aftermath was no more bike riding nor casting a single hand fly rod. So I gave up the bike and moved on to the 2 handed Spey rods.


80 posted on 01/25/2008 2:18:23 PM PST by Grampa Dave ("Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!"- Jim Robinson, Sept, 30, 2007)
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