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Navy may revive 4th Fleet in S. Atlantic, Caribbean
Houston Chronicle ^ | 19 Jan 2008 | Carol Rosenberg

Posted on 01/22/2008 12:50:17 PM PST by BGHater

Strategist says move would show U.S. is committed to Latin America

MIAMI — The Navy is considering restoring the 4th Fleet in the Atlantic Ocean, a bureaucratic change that would raise the prominence of Pentagon maritime activities in Latin America and the Caribbean.

Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, made the disclosure during a visit to the Southern Command last week — calling it "a great idea" that "as far as I know is moving forward."

The move would bring no new vessels to the region but would put Southcom on par administratively with other Pentagon outposts that have large budgets and bigger muscle. For example, the Central Command operates the Fifth Fleet in the Middle East.

It would also restore an institution that sent U.S. Navy ships into southern waters in search of Nazi U-boats. The Navy created the 4th Fleet in 1943 to hunt submarines in the South Atlantic during World War II.

It was disbanded seven years later with naval operations in the region run from Norfolk, Va.

Still in planning stage At the Pentagon, Navy Cmdr. Jeff Davis said no final decision has been made. Mullen said if such an institution were created, it would be worked out between the Navy's top officer, Adm. Gary Roughead, and Adm. James Stavridis, the Southcom commander, who runs the region's U.S. military operations out of South Florida.

In theory, the 4th Fleet would operate out of Mayport, Fla., now a smaller headquarters for Navy South, which coordinates Navy activities in Latin America and the Caribbean for Southcom. It is run by a one-star officer, Rear Adm. James Stevenson. A 4th Fleet would be run by a two- or three-star admiral, and may need congressional approval.

Davis emphasized that no new vessels — and no additional budget — would come with the creation of a 4th Fleet.

Instead, warships from various bases would be assigned to sail in the fleet — in waters stretching from the Caribbean through Central and South America.

'A bigger profile' Military analysts said the establishment of a 4th Fleet admiral could elevate Southcom's prominence in discussions on where ships are deployed — and would surely send a signal to southern neighbors.

"It gives the Navy a bigger profile in the region," said Frank Mora, professor of national security strategy at the National War College in Washington, D.C. "It sends a message to the region that you are important at a time when there is a sense that we don't care."

Moreover, it may also reflect the Navy's increasing commitment to Latin America and the Caribbean at a time when the Pentagon is preoccupied — and when ground forces are focused on Middle East operations.

In recent years, the Southern Command has increasingly relied on the Navy for humanitarian operations.

"Symbolism is something that has some currency," Mora said. "It's a way of compensating for limited resources and funds, perhaps lack of focus in Washington or other things."

Mullen, the top U.S. military officer since October, was at Southcom as part of a five-day trip to the region that includes Colombia and El Salvador.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 4thfleet; atlantic; caribbean; fleet; fourthfleet; latinamerica; martime; navair; navy; usn
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To: Alas Babylon!

Check this one out...
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/images/norfolk-carrier1.jpg


81 posted on 01/23/2008 5:55:14 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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I think that is a sure thing and John Warner likely cut that deal with the naming of the FORD. The Sec of the Navy ignored a lot of letters by vets when he did that. There was a sizable campaign to have the next carrier named AMERICA {as it was sank to gather the data for it} and Warner went behind our backs on the matter.

I read an article somewhere recently about the future status of JFK. Her crew association is the one leading the charge and Ft. Lauderdale is a leading candidate for getting her. There was some talk about putting her up in Boston, but there's not enough available space in the harbor for a permanently moored carrier and even Teddy the Swimmer isn't willing to get Unca Sam to pony up the money to dredge the harbor enough to put her at the Kennedy Library.

Warner's behavior regarding the naming of CVN-78 is pretty perplexing since he was really pushing for CVN-77 to be named "Lexington".
82 posted on 01/23/2008 6:25:07 PM PST by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter
Warner's behavior regarding the naming of CVN-78 is pretty perplexing since he was really pushing for CVN-77 to be named "Lexington".

He was Sec of Navy appointed by Nixon 72-74. Maybe a sense of loyalty I don't know. LEXINGTON even for the new one would have not been taken as bad as naming another one after a POTUS especially one that was not even elected to the job. There were several former carrier org wanting the namesake. The hardest one pushing for it was AMERICA. The Navy was never quite upfront with us on preservation attempts either.

Most of us figured when she was fast tracked for a SINKEX for gathering data to build the new class she would get the honor or at least a decent shot. Warner knew about that also. I doubt they will even name a destroyer after our nation again.

Interesting side note too. Clinton considered nominating him as Sec of Defense to replace Aspin.

84 posted on 01/23/2008 6:52:18 PM PST by cva66snipe (Proud Partisan Constitution Supporting Conservative to which I make no apologies for nor back down)
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To: Repeal The 17th

Sweet!!!


85 posted on 01/23/2008 7:54:14 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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