>> Excuse me, but you need to learn some real history. Certainly the Nazis had exactly such plans, and sent in at least one team to carry them out.
Excuse me — but you need to learn not to talk down to those with whom you have disagreements. Its obnoxious.
I know my history just fine — thanks. “One team” does not create the same risk as exists in a fight against an enemy for whom the random killing of civilians by suicide bomber (not a uniformed combatant, as was generally used in WWII) is their primary tactic — and who have REPEATEDLY shown their prediliction toward such tactics throughout the globe. Whether the Nazis explored such tactics or not is virtually irrelevant — they did not use suicide terrorism as a regular or primary method of attack, and did not have a history of such attacks throughout the globe.
These conflicts are simply not the same — and, either way, it remains a generally poor idea to fight a new conflict using the tactics from three or four wars ago. Even IF the Nazis were fighting in EXACTLY the same way as current Islamic terrorists — enemies will adapt to security, and we must adapt as well to stay ahead. As terrorists become more sophisticated — so must we.
>> In what way?? I submit that it is NOT different in any signficant aspect. The only difference is that the Nazis were pagans, and the Muslims are monotheists (though they “might” be considered pagans, too.
I realize that you’ve “submitted” that — but thanks for the reiteration. The Nazis were an established military unit, and did not regularly engage in terrorist activity (from the traditional definition of the term) throughout the globe — they engaged in military conquest and organized genocide ... but their tactics did not regularly include the detonation of civilian populations by suicide bombers and using hijacked aircraft as missiles.
>> But “REAL ID” isn’t it. Close the borders, build the fence, and link up employers with Social Security is all that is necessary.
Agreed on all three — though I don’t agree that those measures would be entirely sufficient. Social security cards are quite easy to fake. ID upgrades might not be a bad idea for the “employer link”. Additionally, requiring ID for other activities (like renting apartments, for instance) would prevent illegal immigrants from living off of “off-the-books” cash-only employment (and thus circumventing SS# checks).
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I repeat--you need to study the history a bit more. Though their origin was military, their plans and goals were exactly terrorist, and they would be considered terrorists by todays definition. Their proposed tactics didn't involve suicide bombing, but, they might well have used highjacked airliners.
And none of your response in any way clarifies how "REAL ID" is supposed to help. It is an unacceptable and highly dangerous curtailment of our civil liberties for an totally unjustifiable reason.