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Nothing "fair" about the "fair tax"
Leland Tribune ^ | 1/21/2008 | Elaine Mejia

Posted on 01/22/2008 3:43:13 AM PST by xcamel

Look up the word “fair” in Webster’s dictionary and you’ll find this definition: “Free from favoritism or self-interest or bias or deception.” Ironically, the so-called “fair tax” proposal that has been getting some attention lately is fraught with favoritism, self-interest, bias and deception.

The phrase “fair tax” is a new way to refer to the old proposal to create a national retail sales tax. Such a tax would replace essentially all federal income and payroll taxes with a national sales tax levied on all purchases. So instead of having Social Security and Medicare taxes taken out paychecks and filing those April tax returns, Americans would pay a national sales tax on every purchase they make. There are four myths about this tax proposal that must be dispelled in order to have a meaningful debate about its merits.

The first such myth is that the rate would need to be set at 23% in order to raise enough money to run the federal government. Not so fast. Under the proposal if you buy a $100 item the tax would be $30. Most of us would describe that as a 30% tax. But proponents would have us believe that the tax rate should be calculated by dividing the tax amount by the total purchase price including the tax. So divide $30 by $130 by and you get 23%. That is truly fuzzy math at its finest.

The second myth that needs to be addressed is that the IRS could be abolished because the federal government would no longer collect income and payroll taxes. That might technically be true but a new massive bureaucracy would have to be created in its place. This new agency would be in charge of sending every single American an approximately $450 check at the beginning of every month that presumably reimburses them for taxes they pay on their income up to the federal poverty level. This new agency would also be charged with making sure that anyone who sells anything is collecting the tax. So the guys who live out in the country near my home who shell the pecans that grow on my trees would have to start charging me sales tax and send that money to the federal government. And for each of these types of services that aren’t taxed or retailers that aren’t discovered, the tax rate on other purchases has to be that much higher.

This brings me to the third myth – that a 30% rate would be adequate to run the federal government. There is no way that a national retail sales tax could pay for current federal programs without setting the rate at least 45%. The allegation that a 30% rate is sufficient relies on some strange assumptions such as requiring government to tax its own spending and even taxing free services like free checking accounts and free care at veterans’ hospitals. It also assumes that every single transaction is taxed, including lots of things that aren’t taxed currently. So, imagine adding $90,000 to the purchase of a $200,000 home or adding $450 to your $1,000 monthly rent. Better yet, imagine adding $4,500 for every $10,000 paid in college tuition.

Fourth, and most importantly, it is a myth that the tax is “fair.” A deeper look at the proposal clearly shows that it would raise taxes substantially on most Americans while giving the wealthy a substantial tax cut. That’s because most Americans must spend most or all of their incomes to make ends meet, while better-off people can afford to spend a much lower share of their incomes. According to the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy, the typical middle-income North Carolinian who earns about $34,000 per year would pay an additional $3,800 in federal taxes. The state’s wealthiest 1% of taxpayers whose average income is over $700,000 would get a tax break of around $150,000 per year.

It’s not fun to be in the role of defending the current federal tax system because it is confusing and not always fair. But ideas for replacing it need to be grounded in sound tax policy principles. An idea that relies on myths and gimmicks to get attention is not one worth considering.

Elaine Mejia is the Director of the N.C. Budget and Tax Center


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To: BufordP

“It would likely make small government conservatives out of the yellow-dog Democrat “working” poor. They would quickly tire of watching all their income being eaten by federal sales taxes.”

You say that like it is a bad thing or did I miss the sarcasm tag again. That is one if the main selling points of the fair tax you know what uncle sugar costs you every time you buy something.


41 posted on 01/22/2008 4:51:54 AM PST by scottteng (Proud parent of a Life scout.)
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To: RangerM
Any alteration in the tax rate hurts all equally; rich and poor alike. No more demagoguery of the “evil rich”

So what? How will we stop a rise in the rate? The "rich" can afford - I can't. What is to stop the feds from simply taking more. The same question can be asked about any tax structure.

BTW, I pay an effective tax rate of about 10% federal. How would I save?

42 posted on 01/22/2008 4:52:14 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: CitizenUSA
Even if I liked it, and some parts I do, it’s just not going to happen.

If we keep electing/re-electing those that support the status-quo (ie a progressive income tax), you are correct.
43 posted on 01/22/2008 4:53:10 AM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: xcamel
The so-called fair tax is a regressive tax and we do not need the federal government handing out a monthly (rebate)allowance for toothpaste, bread, and shoes. What a completely crappy idea to have "bread lines" in the greatest free enterprise country in the world!

I suppose a FLAT TAX is just too simple a concept?

44 posted on 01/22/2008 4:55:55 AM PST by avacado
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To: raybbr
Don't fair-taxers leave out the fact that everything a corporation buys would be taxed at the mythical 23%? Wouldn't that cost be embedded in the price of everything all over again?

How do you not understand the answer to your question is in my quote you include in post #33? The 23% will be external to the price! That means the tax rate will be itemized as a separate entry on the receipt so everyone can see the rate as opposed to the income tax that lumps the rate into the price so no one sees what is happening with taxes. That's exactly what politicians want to happen.
45 posted on 01/22/2008 4:57:28 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: scottteng
You say that like it is a bad thing..."

Even after I WROTE it was a good thing? Read it again, please.

46 posted on 01/22/2008 4:59:49 AM PST by BufordP (Had Mexicans flown planes into the World Trade Center, Jorge Bush would have surrendered.)
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To: raybbr

...printing a myth on your receipt... that would be a good trick...(TFTBS)


47 posted on 01/22/2008 5:02:23 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: raybbr

The cut off for 10% is $7,825 taxable income.

Assuming you take the standard and personal deductions (for a single person) you have a total income of (7825+8750) $16,575.

Based on the FairTax Prebate you would only pay taxes on 16,575-10,210 = $6,365. The total taxes on $6,365 is $1,464. Therefore under the FairTax system you would reasonably expect to pay about $1,500.

Under the current system, you are paying (based on a taxable income of 7825) $782.50 in income taxes, plus another $1,282 in payroll taxes (SS/M, not incl employer portion), for a GRAND TOTAL of $2,064 in Total Federal/Payroll Taxes.

You’d save about $600 under the FairTax system.


48 posted on 01/22/2008 5:02:52 AM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: RangerM
The cut off for 10% is $7,825 taxable income.

You are so wrong. I said my "effective tax rate" is 10%. I make a heck of a lot more thant $8k. I still don't see where the savings would be.

49 posted on 01/22/2008 5:05:32 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

I have the same response to the ‘Fairy Tax” myself...


50 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:18 AM PST by ejonesie22 (Mike Huckabee, Tithing via Taxation, the Christian Democrat way...)
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To: RangerM
you assume far too many facts not in evidence...

Debt level?
Mtg payments?
retirement contribs?
Spending habits?

51 posted on 01/22/2008 5:07:43 AM PST by xcamel (FDT/2008)
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To: RangerM
Not an unexpected low blow from you pal. Great way to win hearts and minds. Sad thing is America is going to lose more than your candidate. Get ready for 8 years of clintons... and YOU helped!

LLS

52 posted on 01/22/2008 5:10:05 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims and vote Fred!)
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To: CitizenUSA
Nothing erroneous about wondering about the impact of a consumption tax on a consumption-based economy.

There is the premise of your problem. You make erroneous assumptions because you prefer to wonder instead of taking time to actually investigate the facts.

As I wrote, Fair Tax advocates write as though it’s all about numbers. It’s anyone’s guess what the tax would actually do.

You are absolutely wrong! It's not anyone's guess! $22 million dollars of research was conducted to determine the best alternative tax system and The Fair Tax as the result. Eighty economists www.fairtax.org/PDF/Open_Letter.pdf support The Fair Tax. You just keep digging yourself a deeper whole and look foolish in the process.
53 posted on 01/22/2008 5:10:33 AM PST by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: Man50D; xcamel
How do you not understand the answer to your question is in my quote you include in post #33? The 23% will be external to the price! That means the tax rate will be itemized as a separate entry on the receipt so everyone can see the rate as opposed to the income tax that lumps the rate into the price so no one sees what is happening with taxes. That's exactly what politicians want to happen.

How do you not understand that corporations will pay 23% on everything they buy and then pass that on to the consumer/customer?

One of the claims of fair taxers is that their are embedded taxes in all goods. How would that disappear when a company has to pay 23% on (take a large printer, for instance) ink, paper, rags, chemicals, uniforms, electricity, etc? Everything they buy will taxed at 23% and they simple pass that on to the customer. Wouldn't the cost of producing something immediately go up 23%?

How is that any different than what is going on now?

54 posted on 01/22/2008 5:10:57 AM PST by raybbr (You think it's bad now - wait till the anchor babies start to vote!)
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To: raybbr
So what? How will we stop a rise in the rate? The "rich" can afford - I can't. What is to stop the feds from simply taking more. The same question can be asked about any tax structure.

Why would you elect/re-elect ANY politician who hurt you financially? Under the FairTax, any polician who wants to raise taxes answers to ALL OF US, not to a minority who they can demagogue in the process as "evil" or "selfish".

Do you have a problem with a rich person or a person who has a higher income than you?

"Property is the fruit of labor...property is desirable...is a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built." - Abraham Lincoln
55 posted on 01/22/2008 5:11:35 AM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: Man50D

While you’re at it don’t forget that the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified by the senate. There were plenty of shenanigans over that one.


56 posted on 01/22/2008 5:12:21 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine ("There is no civility, only politics.")
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To: raybbr
Don't fair-taxers leave out the fact that everything a corporation buys would be taxed at the mythical 23%? Wouldn't that cost be embedded in the price of everything all over again?

Oh quit throwing facts into the argument - it just makes things more complicated....

57 posted on 01/22/2008 5:13:03 AM PST by TheBattman (LORD God, please help us to elect a Godly and patriotic man for President in 08, Amen.)
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To: raybbr

There is a drastic difference between taxable and gross income. You haven’t given me anything more than a “10% bracket” so I didn’t have much to go one.

If you want a real-world answer, you have to give me real-world data.


58 posted on 01/22/2008 5:13:18 AM PST by RangerM (Jesus was likely a very good carpenter.)
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To: xcamel

59 posted on 01/22/2008 5:13:56 AM PST by Turbopilot (iumop ap!sdn w,I 'aw dlaH)
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To: Turret Gunner A20

You nailed it.........bump


60 posted on 01/22/2008 5:14:29 AM PST by Goreknowshowtocheat
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