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To: AirForceGeorge
1. What Romney says, as has been proven in the past is meaningless and proves nothing about what he actually believes he will do.

We know what McCain will do about the 12 to 20 million illegals. It is called amnesty. We have his record and his words. Romney did obtain 287 [g] authority for state law enforcement officials and he was publicly on record while governor against in-stat tuition aid for illegals.

2. Even if he is better on the issues it doesn’t matter because a vote for him is a vote for Hillary/Obama and their agenda, not his. If we nominate an unelectable candidate we are electing the enemy by default.

We lose by default if McCain is the nominee. He shares much of the same agenda as Hillary/Obama. Why should the majority of the GOP support someone who has not supported the GOP agenda? Do you reward a maverick because the MSM deems him the most electable? Do we stand for anything as a party except to get elected? I don't share your view that Romney is unelectable.

15-20 states is a guestimate taking into account what a 45% showing roughly equates to. The extact number is meaningless, we are talking a massive landslide. He will lose swaths of the south.

Gore received more votes than Bush in 2000. We don't elect Presidents that way. The electoral college is how Presidents are elected. There is no way that Hillary or Obama takes the South. Bill Clinton never received more than 50% of the vote even when running against people like Bob Dole.

Now you are raising the guesstimate to 20 states. LOL. Romney will have a shot at Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, states that Kerry won in 2004. He will take many of the states in the West with larger margins than Bush, e.g., Colorado, Arizona, and Nevada where immigration is a big issue and have sizeable Mormon populations. Romney has many political assets that will provide a clear contrast between him and Hilllary/Obama. Until both parties have actual nominess, all of these MSM polls are meaningless. They are meant to shape and influence the primaries and you seem to have fallen into their trap.

You can bet that the Clinton attack machine will go after the Keating Five scandal, McCain's age, his health problems, etc. If you think that McCain can win without the support of the Rep base, you are living in a fantasy world. The Dems are already saying that McCain is the strongest candidate for the Reps. Doesn't that give you some pause?

335 posted on 01/21/2008 9:38:47 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar; AirForceGeorge
The Dems are already saying that McCain is the strongest candidate for the Reps. Doesn't that give you some pause?

Why would it give him pause? He signed up four months ago (with an overtly military sounding name, no less) to push the same message, and he hasn't deviated from it one iota (except to flirt with the Dems other favorite Republican, the Huckster). And pretty much every post is a thinly-veiled variation of the same seminar-caller talking points we've been hearing for years.

The guy's a transparent fraud.

339 posted on 01/21/2008 9:48:25 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Jimmy Carter gave away a canal. John McCain gave away the 1st Amendment.)
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To: kabar

Pause. It should give you pause that Daily Kos and other dems are licking their chops and calling on their people to vote Romney. I know the media is biased but I’m not in the tin-foil hat crowd like you over it. They’re not trying to overtly change our vote by creating fake polls etc. If you believe that you’re just as whacky as the Nader crowd on the left and the Paul people.

McCain is the most electable by far. History dictates this. Common political sense, regular common sense. Anecdotally, I talk a lot of politics when I’m in my squadron. The mere mention of Romneys name gets eyes rolling. And these are not liberal people. These are people who overwhelmingly voted for Bush. He’s a fake and everyone knows it.

If we don’t mix it up this year we lose. If we don’t appeal to independents and conservative Dems we lose. If we chose a weasel like Romney over a genuine hero like McCain we deserve to lose. At least I would feel better about it. The party that made such a moronic choice would deserve to be the party that ushers in the era of Socialism Hillary/Obama will bring. If we nominate McCain and lose it would hurt more, at least I can be spared that. Like 1996 it would suck to see the better honorable man lose to a skunk.


350 posted on 01/21/2008 10:22:23 AM PST by AirForceGeorge
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To: kabar

Yup. Imagine the televised debates this fall, McCain vs Hillary, the rigors of the campaign already brutal for even a 50-year old candidate - let alone a 72-year old man.

Hillary gets McCain to lose his temper. She then turns to the camera, thanks the turkey-neck for his service to the nation, and tells the audience it is time to move forward in America and that she’ll call upon the distinguished Senator for advice and counsel on foreign policy matters.

Election over.


352 posted on 01/21/2008 10:29:20 AM PST by mwl1
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To: kabar

Color me sexist but I think Romney will do a good job at getting the married women vote. No on looks, anti Hilary, pro strength. By the time their primary is over there is going to be a big mistrust about Bill really calling the shots.


368 posted on 01/21/2008 10:49:16 AM PST by libbylu (Why vote for a democrat with an R next to his name? Proud MITTen.)
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To: kabar
There is no way that Hillary or Obama takes the South.

If Obama is the Democrat nominee and the Republicans nominate someone who is offensive to the evangelicals, I could see Obama taking some southern states. A huge African-American turnover combined with a depressed evangelical turnout could cause a southern red state or two to flip.

390 posted on 01/21/2008 11:15:29 AM PST by CommerceComet (Mitt Romney: boldly saying whatever the audience wants to hear.)
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