[farmer18th]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about. Whenever I see neo-cons like Condi or the lunatic left like Jimmy Carter attempting to mediate on behalf of Muslim states, it's very much like watching an animal psychologist expecting rational behavior from a pack of rabid chimpanzees.

Respectfully, (really), I believe you are fooling yourself.

[ketsu]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about. Whenever I see neo-cons like Condi or the lunatic left like Jimmy Carter attempting to mediate on behalf of Muslim states, it's very much like watching an animal psychologist expecting rational behavior from a pack of rabid chimpanzees.

Respectfully, (really), I believe you are fooling yourself.

Meh... the ME is remarkably deterministic. Things just take time. Until the '80s the ME was the center of a proxy war between the US and the Soviets. Then Islamic Iran entered the equation. Now it's Shi'ite(Iran and its proxies) vs Sunnis(our proxies) and Israel. It's slowly but surely swinging towards equilibrium.

The wild card is China. If China becomes a military as well as economic superpower then it's Katy bar the door. If they get their greedy little fingers in the pie(not that they don't now, but their power is limited) it will be anarchy.

[dennisw]

As long as Israel exists, (heck, as long as the west exists), they will have something to be angry about.

The real problem is Israel never accepts the loss of Muslim land.
They want Spain back
They want the land back that Israel sits on

Apart from land they once controlled, Islam's ideology is to make Jihad until the whole world is Muslim and the Caliphate is brought back to rule it. Jihad goes dormant for decades and centuries when Muslims have no chance military but as soon as their forces and armies look good they engage in war and Jihad against the non Muslims

So Israel and the Saudis/Arabs can sign any peace treaty they want but the Muslims will always be back with more demands. If not in a year or a decade then in a generation. The Arab world is swamped with radical preachers who preach eternal Jihad and the younger generation is listening

[tpanther]

Don’t you mean rabid jackals or hyenas?