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To: angkor
"it must be pretty thin-pickings on the flip-flopping front."

I agree! I add one more word: it must be pretty thin-picking nit-pickings on the flip-flopping front.

38 posted on 01/19/2008 1:40:03 PM PST by jonrick46
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To: angkor; jonrick46
Unfortunate he had to take that position, but this is in a Senate run against the extremely venal Fatboy in the most liberal state in the USA. What else was he to say? If that’s the best the Social Conservatives and Evangelicals and “Values Voters” (ha ha) can produce from thatentire debate, it must be pretty thin-pickings on the flip-flopping front. [Angkor]

It's primarily his waffling back & forth that bothers me--along with how in '07 he was characterizing his previous positions...(read those below)...the latter comments which therefore has nothing to do with what else he was to say?

I agree! I add one more word: it must be pretty thin-picking nit-pickings on the flip-flopping front. [jonrick46]

Mitt takes over a dozen positions on general pro-life stances all over the map...Pro-abortion 1970 on....I mean he even starts waffling away from wanting to be called "pro-choice" in 2001 when he tried to briefly side-step/elevate his pro-abortion rep in Utah...then back to more pro-abortion rhetoric before coming out as hardline pro-abortion as possible in 2002 & beyond...only to undergo a pro-life "conversion" in late '04 yet still spout even more pro-abortion rhetoric sandwiched in between 2 pro-life statements/new commitments in 2005...pro-abortion actions in 2006 (which he later defines as "pro-life")...2007 says he was effectively pro-choice over previous years but was never pro-choice...has always been pro-life.

Let's analogize this for a moment by comparing Romney's covenant with the pre-born to his covenant with his wife:

It would be as if he was married...

...then divorced at his initiation for 31 years, yet claim in the 31st year, "Oh, I'm not divorced," yet remain divorced for 3 additional years...

...then get remarried to his wife for over a year--with one time in the midst of that proclaiming, "I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain divorced."...

...Then as an attorney he would make it easier for couples to divorce and put the leading proponents of divorce in a position to monitor pro-divorce legislation...

...But then later he would claim that these actions were "pro-marriage"...

Then this year, he would concede that “Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-divorce" and then a week later say "I was always married" and 7 months later say, "I never considered myself divorced. I never allowed myself to call myself divorced because I never felt like I was."

Again, the above was only an analogy...see below for seeing how Romney has waffled back & forth on abortion & protecting the pre-born:

THE FLiP & FLoP SIDE OF MITT

THE PRO-'LIFE'& PRO-ABORTION REVELATION OF MITT ROMNEY

"Verse 1": He said he was “pro-choice” in 1994 & had been since 1970:

"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy)

"Verse 2": And it came to pass that he said he “didn’t wish to be labeled pro-choice” in a July 12, 2001 letter to a Salt Lake City newspaper.

"Verse 3": And it came to pass that he campaigned hard on being “pro-choice” in 2002:

“I will preserve and protect a woman’s right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard… (Nov. 2, 2002)

"Verse 4": And it came to pass that he said he had a pro-life “conversion” after a Nov. 8, 2004 meeting. By May 27, 2005, he’s back to:

"I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice." (press conference comment) (So that’s “pro-life?”)

"Verse 5": And it came to pass that he said that he said later in 2005 in a Boston Globe op-ed that’s he’s “pro-life” and the 2 actions he took that year are pro-life—one action taken in February before he told us in May that he was “absolutely committed…regards to laws relating to abortion and choice”—and one after.

"Verse 6": And it came to pass that he said that this “pro-life” governor in April of 2006 signs his "Commonwealth Care" into existence, thereby expanding abortion access for poor women--$50 abortions on sale today via MittCare. He doesn’t veto placing a Planned Parenthood rep on the board oversight of MittCare.

"Verse 7": And it came to pass that he said within two weeks of campaigning in South Carolina in late Jan & early Feb, he makes the following 2 statements—both of which can’t be simultaneously true: Jan. 28, 2007:

“Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) (OK how could his even later claim that "every action I've taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life..." AND this statement BOTH be true?) Feb. 8, 2007: "I am firmly pro-life… I was always for life." (Jim Davenport, "Romney Affirms Opposition to Abortion," The Associated Press, 2/9/2007)

"Verse 8": And it came to pass that he was asked to size up his changes through the years as an August 2007 interview with Chris Wallace of Fox:

"I never called myself pro-choice. I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice, and so..."

OK, just even from his own lips, how can he say he...

...“sustains” Roe v. Wade in 1994 (“sustains” is the strongest word possible for a Mormon—see very last lengthy paragraph below—as LDS are asked to sustain ALL their leaders from the LDS “prophet” on down);

...says he is “devoted and…dedicated” to “honoring” his ”word” to “sustain and support” Roe vs. Wade in 2002;

...continue to remain ”committed to my promise” in May of ’05;

...expand abortion services in RomneyCare in ’06 & make Planned Parenthood part of the healthcare “concrete”@ that time…???...

...While simultaneously...

...eschewing the “pro-choice” label in 2001;

...claim that “every action I’ve taken as the governor relates to the sanctity of human life” and looking backward from February, 2007, “I was always for life.”???

56 posted on 01/19/2008 6:21:28 PM PST by Colofornian
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