Posted on 01/18/2008 11:56:43 AM PST by SJackson
Then I'm still wondering why you're mad, since none of the attacks on Paul's racist and Truther associations are based on lies. Take the Truther stuff, for instance:
1. In 2004 Paul appeared with Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney in the Alex Jones film "American Dictators," which was a film about how the entire Earth is already enslaved and the U.S. Presidential Election was a stage show like Saddam's elections. BTW, some of the stuff I found on it seems to imply that the film says Bush stole the 2000 election, but I haven't seen it and am not sure...nor am I ever going to be. In 2007 he appeared in Jones' "Endgame"
2. In 2006, Paul appeared in Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism." Note that by 2004 Jones and Russo were both full-blown major Truthers, and both claim that 9/11 was an inside job engineered by and as a crucial component of the conspiracies they describe in their movies. Appearing in one of their films and saying you're not in bed with Truthers is like appearing in a production of The Sound of Music and saying you've never been in a musical that featured singing nuns.
3. On October 5th, Paul appeared on Jones' show for the 3rd time personally. In December (sorry, unsure of the date) he made his fourth appearance. Members of his campaign staff have also appeared on the show.
4. Though it concerns the October 5th appearance, this one deserves an entry all its own: During the interview, Alex Jones tells Paul "We are your base here." Paul does not object. (If Planned Parenthood described themselves as Fred Thompson's base, and he didn't correct them, what would that make Fred?)
5. Here's a post by SJackson where he shares some of the stuff that Alex Jones has been putting out on his InfoWars site. It includes Jones alleging that the Marine Corps is training its men to haul us off to camps, that military helicopters are being landed on schoolyards to make our kids into an American fascist youth, and that (surprise!) there are 77 Texas counties under martial law. Ron Paul is willing to associate himself with that sort of man repeatedly on numerous projects and radio appearances.
6. Michelle Malkin has documented numerous cases where Paul puts on the tinfoil regarding 9/11, or enables others in getting their tinfoil on.
At what point does a guy become responsible for the fact that he's surrounded by a cloud of anti-American nutjobs and he is working hand in glove with their king on some of his kook projects? Why should it not be a concern for me when Ron Paul is more comfortable hanging with Troofers than Rudy Giuliani is speaking to the NRA?
If he's taken responsibility for it, which he has since the mid-1990s, then it's a non-issue, merely drummed up in desperation by establishment hacks from both the left and right. Paul would make an arrow look crooked.
I imagine you're not a racist. If a friend of yours wrote racist commentaries under your name, would you be posting columns on his website, or accepting his endorsement? Well, Ron Paul still has that relationship with Lew Rockwell.
Well, I would probably fire the authors who wrote racist swill too, like Paul did. There's no proof that Rockwell is the author of the newsletters, so that's just speculation. Anywho, Rockwell has no ties to the Paul campaign.
The Ministry of Sillly Explanations indeed!
As opposed to the Ministry of Beating Dead Horses?
I also went to allmusic.com and they didn't have the album cover for it. I saw it years ago. A whole bunch of skinheads 'dancing' around with women too. There was a synopsis there:
"Cultivating one of the scariest careers in the punk rock scene, Skrewdriver have become the proud poster boys for the racial-hate movement in the United Kingdom. They define the stereotypical image of skinheads, preaching the Aryan beliefs of the Nazis, while alternately making violent and visceral music for their fans to get angry about."
What a nice bunch of lads.
Socialism and especially national socialism has always been quite antithetical to Ron Paul’s personal beliefs.
Do you not find any substantive issues upon which you might disagree with him other than to fabricate false allegiances?
BTW, I’m not a Ron Paul supporter, I simply find these attacks upon him to be gutter politics attempting to mislabel him.
Accordingly, those associated with such schemes merely tip their hand that they really have no substance in politics of substance.
MinSilEx remains active.
Somehow I have a mental image of him playing the Benny Hill chase theme at his rallies...or “They’re Coming to Take Me Away” by Napoleon the 14th.
Did he win an Academy Award? ROFL
In 2006, Paul appeared in Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism."
Supporting role this time, right?
Note that by 2004 Jones and Russo were both full-blown major Truthers, and both claim that 9/11 was an inside job engineered by and as a crucial component of the conspiracies they describe in their movies.
Note that Paul doesn't believe in what they believe in.
On October 5th, Paul appeared on Jones' show for the 3rd time personally.
Judge Napolitano and Pat Buchanan have also appeared on Alex Jones show.
In December (sorry, unsure of the date) he made his fourth appearance. Members of his campaign staff have also appeared on the show.
Jones is nothing more than a radio show host like Rush is and again for the thousandth time Paul doesn't share his views.
At what point does a guy become responsible for the fact that he's surrounded by a cloud of anti-American nutjobs and he is working hand in glove with their king on some of his kook projects? Why should it not be a concern for me when Ron Paul is more comfortable hanging with Troofers than Rudy Giuliani is speaking to the NRA?
Then you have nothing to worry about. As evidence by consecutive 5th place finishes in the primaries, Paul isn't going to get the GOP nomination. The Troofers and white supremacists and anti-war wackos who were supposed to cross party lines en masse and vote for Paul never happened. So it appears that the GOP base is rejecting Paul based upon the (circumstantial) evidence that the aforementioned groups are supporting him. Isn't that what you want?
Sometimes you gotta stand up for truth. If a lurker comes by, I want them to see that real conservatives have no use for that traitorous bag of crap.
In fact, all of the "controversies" is just turning more undecided people to Paul supporters.
Yeah, I'm sure that news that a guy used to publish racist stuff in his newsletters is really turning people on.
Sorry buddy, I'm not changing my mind over Paul. I know he's not a racist and the newsletters issue, while deplorable but have been addressed in which Paul has taken responsibility, doesn't rise to the rank corruption and stench that's common among the other candidates.
Now that you've mentioned it, let's make this clear for the lurkers: Conservatives have no interest in a moron so incompetent that he let his newsletter go out with his name on it for five years without reading the thing.
But continue preaching to the choir. Please, by all means, keep those photo-shopped jpegs going. I enjoy the laughs.
Thanks. I have no doubt I'll continue to stand against racism, Trooferism and defeatism.
Said idiot was a full-time medical doctor & in-demand speaker. He trusted others to write the material and got burned by them. He took responsibility. This story was already brought up and rehashed to death back in 1997 when Paul returned to Congress by the Houston Chronicle.
It was an honest mistake by Paul. Nobody said he could walk and chew Bubblelicious. He atoned for it.
If he's taken responsibility for it, which he has since the mid-1990s, then it's a non-issue, merely drummed up in desperation by establishment hacks from both the left and right. Paul would make an arrow look crooked.
Taking responsibility for something immensely incompetent still means one was immensely incompetent. I seem to recall the captain of the Exxon Valdez took responsibility for his mistake.
Hee-hee!
The problem is, is that those who already support Paul aren't going to be swayed one way or another. Those who are reading about this and never heard of Paul before, will do their own research and make their own decisions. Indeed, many of the new Paul supporters are folks who saw first-hand what Fox News was doing to Paul when they excluded him from the NH forum.
Yeah, I'm sure that news that a guy used to publish racist stuff in his newsletters is really turning people on.
Wake me up when it rises to Hillary Clintonesque levels.
Now that you've mentioned it, let's make this clear for the lurkers: Conservatives have no interest in a moron so incompetent that he let his newsletter go out with his name on it for five years without reading the thing.
Here, let me give a shout-out to the lurkers too. GOOGLE RON PAUL! Make your own decisions!
Thanks. I have no doubt I'll continue to stand against racism, Trooferism and defeatism.
Same here. If there were any evidence that Paul was a racist or in bed with these creeps, I wouldn't be supporting him.
I posted many times about those disagreements, and still do when they come up. For example, he is a foreign policy nightmare that makes Obama look like Reagan.
I simply find these attacks upon him to be gutter politics attempting to mislabel him.
It's only gutter politics when it isn't true. did you look at the American Thinker piece?
And then there's the Trooferism. Check this out...is this gutter politics, to point this out?
1. In 2004 Paul appeared with Dennis Kucinich, Ralph Nader and Cynthia McKinney in the Alex Jones film "American Dictators," which was a film about how the entire Earth is already enslaved and the U.S. Presidential Election was a stage show like Saddam's elections. BTW, some of the stuff I found on it seems to imply that the film says Bush stole the 2000 election, but I haven't seen it and am not sure...nor am I ever going to be. This year he appeared in Jones' "Endgame"
2. In 2006, Paul appeared in Aaron Russo's "America: Freedom to Fascism." Note that by 2004 Jones and Russo were both full-blown major Truthers, and both claim that 9/11 was an inside job engineered by and as a crucial component of the conspiracies they describe in their movies. Appearing in one of their films and saying you're not in bed with Truthers is like appearing in a production of The Sound of Music and saying you've never been in a musical that featured singing nuns.
3. On October 5th, Paul appeared on Jones' show for the 3rd time personally. Members of his campaign staff have also appeared on the show.
4. Though it concerns the October 5th appearance, this one deserves an entry all its own: During the interview, Alex Jones tells Paul "We are your base here." Paul does not object. (If Planned Parenthood described themselves as Fred Thompson's base, and he didn't correct them, what would that make Fred?)
5. Here's a post by SJackson where he shares some of the stuff that Alex Jones has been putting out on his InfoWars site. It includes Jones alleging that the Marine Corps is training its men to haul us off to camps, that military helicopters are being landed on schoolyards to make our kids into an American fascist youth, and that (surprise!) there are 77 Texas counties under martial law. Ron Paul is willing to associate himself with that sort of man repeatedly on numerous projects and radio appearances.
6. Michelle Malkin has documented numerous cases where Paul puts on the tinfoil regarding 9/11, or enables others in getting their tinfoil on.
At what point does a guy become responsible for the fact that he's surrounded by a cloud of anti-American nutjobs and he is working hand in glove with their king on some of his kook projects? Why should it not be a concern for me when Ron Paul is more comfortable hanging with Troofers than Rudy Giuliani is speaking to the NRA?
He encourages it. Note the stuff Malkin provides.
Judge Napolitano and Pat Buchanan have also appeared on Alex Jones show.
Four times? And did they do so post-9/11? BTW...Napolitano is an idiot, and Pat wandered of the reservation long ago. I'm hardly impressed.
Jones is nothing more than a radio show host like Rush is and again for the thousandth time Paul doesn't share his views.
Jones is the king of the Troofers. And you know he's nothing like Rush because of the SJackson post I linked to.
So it appears that the GOP base is rejecting Paul based upon the (circumstantial) evidence that the aforementioned groups are supporting him. Isn't that what you want?
Just keeping FR clean.
For five years. Without ever reading it. That's moronic or a lie. Why are you willing to vote for that?
Nobody said he could walk and chew Bubblelicious.
Sounds like great presidential material.
You're lying to yourself. He could get endorsed by Hillary and you'd spin it. As for proof, the guy encourages the racists with the outlets he uses to communicate, he encourages the Troofers as documented by Malkin, and he promotes defeaism in Iraq.
It doesn't matter what comes out, you'll learn to love and believe in Blimp Brother again.
Yeah right
Well soon enough you’ll chase any remaining traditional conservatives from this website and then you big government fascist neo cons can have it all to yourself.
You're really working hard to marginalize Free Republic and the stats indicate you are accomplishing your intent,
Yeah, Ron Paul’s followers are “traditional conservatives.”
In the same way that Angie Dickinson was once the Heavyweight Champion of the World.
He doesn't "encourage" anything. He has a message and people are attracted to it. That's it. He is not out there soliciting or trolling for these people's support.
Four times? And did they do so post-9/11? BTW...Napolitano is an idiot, and Pat wandered of the reservation long ago. I'm hardly impressed.
Both Napolitano & Buchanan are still prominent conservatives. Obviously you don't have an issue with them talking to Jones like Paul does.
Jones is the king of the Troofers. And you know he's nothing like Rush because of the SJackson post I linked to.
You are missing the point. Jones is a radio show host. He has a show that reaches millions, just like Rush. I'm not saying he's like Rush, but from a media standpoint, he is. He's not a wild-eyed guy transmitting over a ham radio in a basement. If he has a show, that means he has an audience. Lots of people have went on Jones' show. Celebrities. Sports stars. Those who are independent from the political process. I don't care what Jones believes in re: 9/11. Paul does not share his views.
Just keeping FR clean.
Look - I have been one of the few Paul supporters who have openly denounced the kooks and moonbats going to Paul's campaign. I have stated that if Paul's campaign is in bed with these groups, then he shouldn't be supported.
For five years. Without ever reading it. That's moronic or a lie. Why are you willing to vote for that?
He gave his explanation and I agree with it. It's done and in the past now. Completely irrelevant to the campaign. Don't you think this was brought up in all of his Congressional races?
You're lying to yourself. He could get endorsed by Hillary and you'd spin it.
Those endorsements doesn't mean squat. If Paul is not soliciting it, then it's a non-factor. You apparently have an issue with other people enjoying freedom.
As for proof, the guy encourages the racists with the outlets he uses to communicate
The magazines have been public for years and could have been used by any group with an agenda.
he encourages the Troofers as documented by Malkin
Again, they are coming to HIM and he has firmly stated that he does not share their views.
and he promotes defeaism in Iraq.
And you prefer to "stay the course" for another generation at a cost of billions per year right, without realizing that the majority of the American people want the war to end.
Well, they're not anti-war leftists being funded by Soros either. If they were, Paul would be winning in the primaries by now. Again, how come these leftists haven't crossed over in droves to support Paul? Maybe because they're supporting the real anti-war kooks like Kucinich and Obama, right.
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