Barack Obama: I'm no Muslim

Times Online ^ | January 16, 2008 | Tim Reid

[Beckwith]

Nobody, except Obama knows if his conversion to Christianity is real or not.  However, there doesn't appear to be any record of a baptism.

Answering one of Rev. Wright's altar calls, Obama walks down the aisle of Trinity Church to make a formal commitment of his faith.

Cathleen Falsani, religion columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times, writes, "He (Obama) described his conversion experience in his mid-20s, how he walked the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ one Sunday in a public affirmation of his private change of heart."

"I came to Christianity through the black church tradition where the line between evangelical and non-evangelical is completely blurred.  Nobody knows exactly what it means."

"Does it mean that you feel you've got a personal relationship with Christ the savior?  Then that's directly part of the black church experience.  Does it mean you're born-again in a classic sense, with all the accoutrements that go along with that, as it's understood by some other tradition?  I'm not sure."

"There are aspects of Christian tradition that I'm comfortable with and aspects that I'm not.  There are passages of the Bible that make perfect sense to me and others that I go, 'Ya know, I'm not sure about that.'"

"It wasn't an epiphany," he says of that public profession of faith. "It was much more of a gradual process for me. I know there are some people who fall out. Which is wonderful. God bless them.... I think it was just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

Falsani warns us that Obama’s walking the aisle at Trinity is poles apart from what Christians commonly refer to as being "saved, transformed or washed in the blood."  In other words, it’s not to be confused with what Jesus called being "born again."  As Mr. Obama himself explains, "It wasn’t an epiphany … but just a moment to certify or publicly affirm a growing faith in me."

In another account of this event, Manya Brachear, writing in the Chicago Tribune, describes the event thusly:  "When Obama sought his own church community, he felt increasingly at home at Trinity.  Before leaving for Harvard Law School in 1988, he responded to one of Wright's altar calls and declared a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Falsani wonders, "What kind of faith is it that is growing in Barack Obama?  Is it the historic Christian faith?  Not according to the good senator, who describes his faith as: (1) Suspicious of dogma (2) Without any monopoly on the truth (3) Nontransferable to others (4) Infused with a big healthy dose of doubt, and (5) Indulgent of and compatible with all other religions."

The Obama File

[wastedyears]

[Convert from ECUSA]

"I'm just imagining a Republican candidate whose church "constantly affirms our trust in God through cultural expression of a white worship service and ministries which address the White Community."

Ain't that the truth! If such a candidate existed, they would have been drawn, quartered and fried by the MSM, "advocacy" groups, "activist" groups, etc. and long been exiled into outer darkness.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

His name, his heritage, his being raised in overwhelmingly muslim Indonesia, his attending muslim schools, and his artificial form of "Christianity" are more than enough for me to want to keep this guy out of the WH.

Not to mention his campaigning for a genocidal monster who wants to impose Sharia law over Kenya, whose followers are now burning Christians alive in their churches... a man who may or may not be his first cousin.

B. Hussein may be the slickest, most mysterious man who's ever run for the White House. We really know next to nothing about him, and his answers to these questions are always intentionally vague. This is pure cult-of-personality stuff. God help us if he ever gets elected.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

Barack Obama: I'm no Muslim

Interestingly enough, those three words appear nowhere in the article.

[gathersnomoss]

That should make no difference to you.....that is if you are a Muslim.

[sitetest]

Dear Redbob,

From what I’ve read, the “madrassah” to which he was sent was actually an Indonesian public school. However, from what I’ve read, children attending these schools were given time twice per week to receive religious instruction in their own faith. Sources say that he was registered as a Muslim, and thus, it’s likely that he also received Islamic religious training twice a week while attending that school.

Thus, it’s not true to say that he attended a madrassah, but it is likely that he was being raised, at least loosely, for at least a few years, as a Muslim.

sitetest

[Leftism is Mentally Deranged]

OK! Leave the guy alone! If he had said this and actually were one of them, he would wake up one day with his head in one room, and his body in another.

[Jeff Head]

Obama:" I pledge allegiance to the American flag and lead the pledge of allegiance sometimes in the United States Senate when I'm presiding.""

Barack Hussein Obama, one picture is worth more than a thousand of your words, Mr. Takiyya.

[omega4179]

Muslims can’t pledge allegiance to anything but Allah.

[Jeff Head]

Not if you understand and take into account the Islamic principle of Takiyya, where it is counted a virtue and expected that you lie about just such matters to deceive the infadels (uh, that would be us).

Obama supported extreme Islamic candidates in 2006 in Kenya...actually flew there to lend them his support. His acknowledged mentor, and the preacher at the Church he attends (which, OBTW, is very black seperatist) gave a big award to Farrakahn, a militant black muslim. Obama was raised by a father and then a step-father who were very dedicated muslims, until he came to the states. There is no doubt that his mother clearly also influenced him.

But, at a time when we are fighting fundamental Islam, we would be foolish to even risk such a scenario. No one, nobody, would have ever considered an individual running for President in World War II, whose father had been an avowed Nazi and whose name was Adolf Kraut. Sorry, that may seem unfair, but it is the truth and is indicative of the clear thinking of the generation that defeated totalitariansim to make the world free. Fundamental Islam is as decadent and extreme a totalitarian ideology as the Nazis or the Imperial Japanese...we would do well to exercise the same caution and common sense.

[norton]

Can’t explain anything this year but the published positions of his ‘Christian’ home church are scary enough - who needs a muslim card?

[firewalk]

Bttt

[bukkdems]

“Not to mention his campaigning for a genocidal monster who wants to impose Sharia law over Kenya, whose followers are now burning Christians alive in their churches... a man who may or may not be his first cousin.”

I was waiting for someone to mention his cousin Odinga. It is typical the AP & Reuters whitewash the nature of Kenyan politics. They portrayed the election as a “tribal” rather than religious. 20% of Kenyans are Muslims so I don’t see how Odinga can claim he won.

Another MSM whitewash is that Obama smokes. A Republican candidate would be on the covers of Time and Newsweek with a cigarette in his mouth.

[doogal]

Sometime between now and November there should be an opportunity for someone to offer him a ham sandwich publicly and innocently at a campaign event. Then we will know for sure.

[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

According to Jonathan Alter at Newsweek, that picture has been thoroughly debunked. It doesn’t exist. It’s an optical illusion. Maybe a painting.

Who are you gonna believe, Jonathan Alter or your lying eyes?

[PsyOp]

The fact is that to the Muslim world, he is an apostate. He was born to a muslim father and attended a madrassa while living with him in Indonesia.

He has tried to say that "madrassa" is just a generic word for school and that he attended a "secular" madrasa when he was young. However, "madrassa" is the Arabic word for school and is used to refer to a Islamic religious school. Techinically speaking there is no such thing as a "secular madrassa". So he is lying on that point or does not understand the distinction.

Regardless of what his religious beliefs are now, to a devout muslim, he is either a fellow muslim or an apostate. Both have serious ramifications with regard to his ability to conduct foreign policy if he becomes president.

"He who disbelieves in Allah after his having believed, not he who is compelled while his heart is at rest on account of faith, but he who opens his breast to disbelief--on these is the wrath of Allah, and they shall have a grievous chastisement." - Koran, Surah XVI: 106

Mohammed, The Mad Poet Quoted....

[PeterFinn]

Just because he goes to a church does not make him a Christian anymore than my going to a mosque makes me a muslim. Where was his unapologetic profession of faith?

[upsdriver]

LOL- If the Dems put this guy up- they will be so sorry...

so- I am rooting for him...

I am rooting for him, too. Mainly to shut out the Clinton machine. IF he were to be elected, I have a feeling it would be similar to Jimmy Carter. Ineptitude in action, a one termer. However, it could help the conservative's get their act together and take back the party in 2012.

The way the election is shaping up right now, with Duncan no longer running, is totally depressing.

[hope]

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