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To: Coyoteman

[[1) Neither sedimentology nor archaeology support a global flood at that date. Rather, the soils and human cultures are continuous in most areas spanning this date. Post-Ice Age floods are known; we can see those floods but we can’t see a much larger, much more recent flood? That doesn’t make any sense]]

Can’t see the Flood for the sediment

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_jb_patternsofcirculation/

[[2) Fauna and flora are continuous across this date worldwide. For example, pollen cores that show no discontinuity attributable to a global flood 4350 years ago. Neither do glacial varves, tree ring sequences, or several other methods of tracking time]]

Why woudl a flood wipe out fauna? Are you suggesting that everythign was wiped out and had to start again after the flood? Varve dating is entirely innacurate as Varves can be formed extremely rapidly as experiments and natural observation have proven. Tree ring dating is alos innacurate as trees can grow 2 or even 3 rings a year

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c019.html

“Such views as represented by evolution actually rely on assumptions that these varves are layed down consistently year after year. In fact when Mount St. Helens erupted in Washington State it produced 25 feet of finely layered sediment in a single afternoon! Other such catastrophic events such as the Flood of Noah could also imply the action of laying down many layers quite rapidly within a year time-frame. Thus even millions of layers could be formed in just a few years.

Furthermore experiments show that the thickness of the layers in a continuous heterogranular deposition is independent of the rate of deposition, but is related to the difference in grain size. So varves are not really a problem for a young earth, they just show that deposition rates were higher during and immediately following the Biblical flood than they are today.

Some secular geologists believe that varves may actually be diurnal, reflecting tides instead of seasonal causes. If this is so, formations like the Elatina Formation in South Australia(which is about 250 meters thick) could be accounted for in a mere 60 years.(Williams & Schmidt p. 21-25)(Horgan p. 11)”

http://creationwiki.org/Varves

[[3) mtDNA shows a continuity that can be tracked back tens of thousands of years. Just on the west coast a skeleton dated to 10,300 years ago found in southern Alaska was found to have the same mtDNA as living individuals in southern California and all along the coasts of Central and South America. There was no break in Native American mtDNA, followed by replacement by mtDNA attributable to Noah’s folks.]]

Mtdna does indeed show continuity- all back to one person- the problem is that evo science gets it wrong- a continuity model shows very precise lineage back to where noah was after the flood. Mutational similarities all brach out fro mthat area to recent times, showing the different geographical paths that Noah’s sons took after the flood.

“From Mount Ararat, Shem traveled west. Genetic data reflects a clear picture of this journey. Unlike the descendants of Ham and Japheth, Shem’s descendants took a short and straight-forward trip through the Middle East and on to Europe. Modern peoples of European ancestry can trace their mtDNA back to a single father, Shem.”

http://www.realtruth.org/articles/446-fatf.html

Next objection?


383 posted on 01/21/2008 10:30:06 AM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop
Don't bother posting creationist propaganda and lies to me.

In fact, from the poor record of your past posts, both in terms of legibility and accuracy, I have largely stopped reading your posts at all.

385 posted on 01/21/2008 11:06:14 AM PST by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: CottShop
Why woudl a flood wipe out fauna?

Your first link describes a flooded world with 200 mph circular currents in 500-meter-deep water over the continents. Are you suggesting any animals not on the ark could survive that?

Are you suggesting that everythign was wiped out and had to start again after the flood?

I thought that was the point!
386 posted on 01/21/2008 12:29:27 PM PST by Ha Ha Thats Very Logical
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To: CottShop
Are you suggesting that everythign was wiped out and had to start again after the flood?

How do you read this?

And all flesh died that moved upon the earth, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of beast, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth, and every man:

All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and the creeping things, and the fowl of the heaven; and they were destroyed from the earth: and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.


387 posted on 01/21/2008 12:38:09 PM PST by js1138
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