Posted on 01/16/2008 12:53:42 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster
Tense battle-ready standoff in Taiwan Strait
(Hong Kong=Yonhap News) Chung Juho = U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk (and its battle group) had 28-hour battle-ready standoff with a Chinese submarine and a missile destroyer in Taiwan Strait last November, it has been revealed.
This was the first military standoff between U.S. and China since the Taiwan Strait Crisis in 1996.
According to Jan. 16 dispatch by China Times in Taiwan, on Nov. 23 last year, Kitty Hawk battle group was en route to Japan after China refused its port call in Hong Kong, entering Taiwan Strait instead of using its normal route. China immediately dispatched a Song-class submarine which happened to be in the neighborhood, and had it track the battle group.
China also sent a missile destroyer Shenzhen from its Southern Fleet which was readying itself in Hainan Island for the (upcoming) visit to Japan, joining the Kitty Hawk watch.
The battle group with the carrier and its eight escort ships were sailing northward at an even distance away (from China and Taiwan,) and the Chinese submarine and the destroyer were following and watching the battle group from the western side along the Chinese mainland.
Carrier Kitty Hawk was alerted by a P3-C anti-submarine plane from U.S. forces in Japan that a Chinese submarine and its destroyer were following them. The group stopped sailing and went into battle-ready mode, sending out warplanes to protect the fleet.
After tense 28-hour standoff, the battle group was able to return to Yokosuka base in Japan only in Nov. 24.
According to an U.S. military source, the Chinese submarine sneaked into Taiwan Strait from west after taking a detour around Taiwan's southern shore from east, in an effort to monitor Kitty Hawk battle group. S-2T anti-submarine plane from Taiwanese navy was conducting the regular patrol in the area, but was not able to detect the submarine.
“The military gave the pilot in command the Distinguished Flying Cross - and the rest of the crew received medals, lauds, citations, and parades.”
I recall the A/C command pilot, stating that he looked up/up and saw the water...he earned a well done, in my book....
Yeah, actually having been in the same or similar position and being able to speak from experience. Your willingness to sacrifice other people's lives is duly noted.
>> The PRC didn’t get a thing that was worthwhile.
You are full of $hit. I know with absolute certainty that the PRC got a LOT that was worthwhile. Why would you even make such an ignorant statement?
>> Your willingness to sacrifice other people’s lives is duly noted.
Your unwillingness to get the job done as first priority is duly noted.
You might make a decent Navy doctor, or maybe a chaplain.
Line officer?
Well, I wouldn’t want you anywhere near my chain of command.
“The PRC didn’t get a thing that was worthwhile. And we got our crew and plane back.”
In the greater scheme of things, the crew is very valuable, the plane is not very valuable, and the equipment/access to the equipment on the plane is extremely valuable.
On a much smaller scale, think of the situation with OBL and his satellite phone. Once he found out we were listening in, he stopped using it and we lost a very valuable source of information.
Say the PRC takes a look at the equipment, and sees what the US can intercept. Then, they change their communications methods to avoid interception. Or, knowing the interception capabilities, they can now enhance their false transmissions in crisis situations, making us more likely to believe them. How about getting a leg up on jamming communications from the plane based on filling in information gaps that they had before?
What about getting a big leg up on breaking our datalink transmissions. Suddenly, they can determine where each of our units are. Or potentially reading our message traffic. Remember what happened in WWII with the Germans after we started reading their traffic encrypted by Enigma machines.
Even if you don’t consider exploiting our technology against us, I’m sure you’ll probably see some improvements in their intelligence gathering equipment (if they haven’t already from the technology Clinton had made sure ended up there).
Interesting...did not know that. I take it that means the Swedes and their stealthy subs are not for sale?
The puppet masters?
The “We-weren’t-there,-You’re-an-armchair-general,-Our-troops-lives-are-sacred” argument is duly noted, but not particularly pertinent to this situation.
Our soldiers, PARTICULARLY intelligence officers, understand that personal safety comes second to the safety of AMERICA... that is why our soldiers volunteer for a job in which they may lose their lives during the performance of their duty. In this case, it would seem that the flight crew chose their lives over a virtualy unlimited number of lives, lives that may be lost due to the loss of a large amount of highly sensitive, cutting edge military technology.
For these reasons, it was wrong to honor the crew with unit citations and the DFC. Sea conditions notwithstanding, the plane should have been ditched and the equipment kept out of the hands of our Communist enemies. If the crew was able to bail out and was later rescued, consider it lucky that the situation had a fortunate ending.
Of course, it also stands to reason that the crew may actually have been able to completely destroy a large amount of the equipment and any relevent classified documents... and that this was the real reason they we honored by the WH. This seemes to not be the case, but there exists the possibilty. At any rate, the exact details of the event and any subseqent debriefings are classified... and it is really only at this point that the “We-don’t-know-the-details” line of reasoning has any relevance.
The “We-weren’t-there,-You’re-an-armchair-general,-Our-troops-lives-are-sacred” argument is duly noted, but not particularly pertinent to this situation.
Our soldiers, PARTICULARLY intelligence officers, understand that personal safety comes second to the safety of AMERICA... that is why our soldiers volunteer for a job in which they may lose their lives during the performance of their duty. In this case, it would seem that the flight crew chose their lives over a virtualy unlimited number of lives, lives that may be lost due to the loss of a large amount of highly sensitive, cutting edge military technology.
For these reasons, it was wrong to honor the crew with unit citations and the DFC. Sea conditions notwithstanding, the plane should have been ditched and the equipment kept out of the hands of our Communist enemies. If the crew was able to bail out and was later rescued, consider it lucky that the situation had a fortunate ending.
Of course, it also stands to reason that the crew may actually have been able to completely destroy a large amount of the equipment and any relevent classified documents... and that this was the real reason they we honored by the WH. This seemes to not be the case, but there exists the possibilty. At any rate, the exact details of the event and any subseqent debriefings are classified... and it is really only at this point that the “We-don’t-know-the-details” line of reasoning has any relevance.
The “We-weren’t-there,-You’re-an-armchair-general,-Our-troops-lives-are-sacred” argument is duly noted, but not particularly pertinent to this situation.
Our soldiers, PARTICULARLY intelligence officers, understand that personal safety comes second to the safety of AMERICA... that is why our soldiers volunteer for a job in which they may lose their lives during the performance of their duty. In this case, it would seem that the flight crew chose their lives over a virtualy unlimited number of lives, lives that may be lost due to the loss of a large amount of highly sensitive, cutting edge military technology.
For these reasons, it was wrong to honor the crew with unit citations and the DFC. Sea conditions notwithstanding, the plane should have been ditched and the equipment kept out of the hands of our Communist enemies. If the crew was able to bail out and was later rescued, consider it lucky that the situation had a fortunate ending.
Of course, it also stands to reason that the crew may actually have been able to completely destroy a large amount of the equipment and any relevent classified documents... and that this was the real reason they we honored by the WH. This seemes to not be the case, but there exists the possibilty. At any rate, the exact details of the event and any subseqent debriefings are classified... and it is really only at this point that the “We-don’t-know-the-details” line of reasoning has any relevance.
Whoa there, eeeeeasy on the post key.
Understanding that the crew was very busy doing their emergency destruction drill in priority order, I’m concerned with the amount of time they had (or did not have) from impact to landing.
There’s an awful lot of gear on an EP-3, and I’m sure they had time to destroy some of the very key pieces, but basically everything on an EP-3 is sensitive. In that time, you can destroy some of it, but there will be quite a bit left.
>> pitched into the sea......probably
That’s the essence of your argument. Just what the press told you to believe.
Too bad for my country that it wasn’t the truth.
Either that or they are far too concerned with the Super bowl. This does scare me, and there is only one man that I believe could have the guts to tell them where to stick it, and you named him at the very first of your post.
Hunter for SecDef.
That said, this Air Force vet wants a bigger submarine fleet to counter all this Chinese building.
Interesting verse on your homepage.
IF
You are trying to insist that there is NOT a cabal of internationalists, globalists, socialists, communists
who’ve been putting together a ONE WORLD GOVERNMENT for many decades . . . at least 50 that I have been studying about for at least 45 years . . .
and who have achieved approximately 80% of their goals that I read about in 1965 in my work as Special Collections Library Director at my BA program in AZ . . . already . . .
THEN, I probably have nothing to say that will convince you.
The evidence is piled high all around . . . not even hidden much in plain sight any more.
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