Posted on 01/15/2008 10:44:23 AM PST by Dawnsblood
“...Levin sqawked plenty (and, might I add, correctly) about the cowardice of Bill Clinton...but why the double-standard when it comes to Mitt? (After all, he applied and was granted the same ministerial deferment denied Muhammad Ali during Vietnam).”
I don’t get Levin on radio where I am. I do however get Hannity and you lumped him in as a chickenhawk. I know what he has said about Clinton and the draft. It’s the same opinion I have. That is that I don’t like what he did because of the lies. The patterns of lies such as I didn’t inhale. He actually is a draft dodger you know. He was inducted into the army and supposed to report. He was out of college at the time and in graduate school at Oxford. There was no deferrments for graduate school. He wrote a letter to the head of the draft board (A Bataan death march survivor) and agreed to join ROTC if he did not have to be drafted. His draft induction notice was rescinded and Clinton reneged on his promise to join ROTC (BTW, This letter he wrote is still floating around somewhere). Oh by the way, he also participated in anti war demonstrations at Oxford. My bet is that Levin has said the same thing.
A chickenhawk is someone who refused to serve when it was his time and is a big proponent of national security. Do you have some proof somewhere that Levin or Hannity refused to serve? If Levin disses Clinton for not serving but supports Romney even though he did not serve that would not be a chickenhawk, but not being honest in his assesments. My guess is that Levin is on Clinton for actually being a draft dodger for the above reasons. I know that is why Hannity has hammered Clinton for this in the past. It’s legitimate in my opinion.
Again, just because you did not serve does not disqualify you from having an opinion on foreign policy and national security. Does anyone here think that Kerry or Gore would have been good on foreign policy? They served...
Hey, Miss Didi, one of us broke FR... haha.
Oh, I am so glad that Newt got his, he’s had it coming.
Dennis Prager’s show is on at the same time as Rush’s here, and I decided to listen to Dennis and caught his live on-air endorsement of Mitt.
And, isn’t it typical of Newt’s ego that he would go on Rush’s show without the slightest idea what he was asking for? LOL!!!
Fred is making his stand in South Carolina.
He doesn’t have the money, and he doesn’t have the base of support such as that the other three have in MI, in order to scattershot all the primaries. His name is on the ballot, as it has been in the other states. But you will note that he tried hard in Iowa, finishing third, skipped NH and MI and is in SC as big as he can go into that state. It’s all he is able to do right now.
And his aim is straight at Mike Huckabee, right there. If he does poorly in SC, I think Fred knows it augurs poorly for his future in this campaign. Diverting to MI would REALLY be off target.
The man is billing himself as the most conservative in the race, is a Tennessean who comes across like a Southerner and has nothing to recommend him in a state like MI, compared to the others.
Romney was born there and his father was governor. McCain won the MI primary against Bush in 2000, and Huckabee has a big base of support in W. MI among evangelical Christian homeschooler types, along with his populism aimed straight and the “woe is us, the little guys” in MI.
Gotcha, Red. Levin is on fire today vs. McCain. I posted back and forth on FR with the Great One (holdonnow) just before FR went offline earlier.
Is “holdonnow” actually Mark Levin?
Yes, indeedy!
That is way too cool. Who knew that FR was the place to hang out with the powerful and influential?
Love his show!
There is a thread here for his show, just getting started up now. You’ll see it on the Latest Comments page.
Thank you for clearing that up...
Many Mark Levin fans were having heart attacks...
Personally I’m going to vote for Duncan Hunter in Tennessee’s early voting tomorrow...
:)
I’m one veteran who does not support McCain....
And watch who you are calling names....
Mark Levin is online
One of the best stations is KPAM in Portland, OR
Mark is on right now LIVE 6-8 PM EST
I beg to differ. We need a man with lots of gray matter who can handle the economic issues facing the country. Sub-prime fiasco, credit nmarkets implosion, out of control federal spending programs, uneducated illegal immigrants flooding the country and burdening the social net, declared war by the jihadists against United States, exploding costs of health care and the tremendous challenge posed by China as an economic and military superpower are the issues before us.
Labels are hollow attempts by one issue voters, who do not understand the complex world we live in.
LOL you are in Tennessee, so how do you listen to KPAM, which is what I am listening to right now and the Great One, mark Levin.
Online
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1954253/posts
Mark is on here after Rush and Sean, but the station loses power by 5.15 PM in the winter time...
Biggest AM station, weakest output
:(
BTW I love KPAM...
I sometimes listen to Victoria Taft after Mark or listen to podcasts of Roger Hedgecock (6-9 PM)
Well, pardon me, Maam but if you're still claiming that McCain performed acts of treason against his fellow POW and collaborated with the enemy of the United States while held captive then you're still a liar (or at the very least a gullible believer in slanderous and malicious falsehoods widely reported on the internet.)
Most of these falsehoods are being spread by far-right fringe kook nutjobs such as Ted Sampley, Devvy Kid and Thomas Burch whom claim our POWs from Vietnam are still alive and being tortured every day just for the fun of it by the "those slant-eyed gooks." Most of the images of POWs still held in captivity were exacerbated by the Hollywood creations that Chuck Norris made famous. But adding to the belief in the falsehoods is this great tool of cyberspace, where people such as yourself can post anything they want without fear of a test of truth.
About 10 or 15 years ago (at my age I'm having trouble remembering) I met a Navy chief petty officer, a corpsman, who had volunteered to help one of the first missions to Vietnam to recover POW/MIA remains. The mission was a successful one as many bone fragments that could be DNA tested, dogtags and other items were recovered. Those efforts were due in part because work people like Sen. McCain had done in opening relations with the former enemy nation. And many of the families of those dead heroes were grateful for his efforts. The kooks, though, will never be satisfied.
Though I was not there long in 1967 (leaving in November of that year), Vietnam has special painful memories for me as I learned of a close friend killed in action when I returned to America. Like me, he had been an 19-year-old college flunk-out who joined the Navy because he didn't want to be drafted in the Army. Neither of us had experienced real combat, only a couple of mild rocket attacks on the other side of the Naval Support Activity DaNang. Only I made it out before Tet occurred, he didn't. That same year I left Vietnam, McCain was shot down and remained there until the war's end.
But, before you go believing the lies whether he is purposely keeping the truth about other POWs still held in captivity as you posted and others continually allege, ask yourself WHY the nation of Vietnam would be interested in still keeping them.
What possible reason would it have after 35 years? War trophies? Experimentation? Or just for the fun of beating soldiers of a former enemy?
I just recently returned from China where I witnessed a scary and booming economy and world superpower. Vietnam wants to be a part of that economy, perhaps to operate as China does as CINOs (Communists In Name Only). I do not believe it would risk that opportunity by holding on to POWs.
Okay, Nana. BTW, is that for grandmother? Better, yet "na-na-na-ah, hey, hey goodbye!"
“I beg to differ.”
No need to beg, I’m a man like you.
And we each see it differently. Gray matter has never
been the definition of greatness in a POTUS.
I never claimed that military service was an absolute requirement to run for the presidency...however, IMO, Romney's (as well as Rudy's) story about that period (when the draft and Vietnam were realities) is beyond suspicious. In 1967 Romney (a smart kid) dropped out of Stanford University and faced the draft. His father at the time was Governor of Michigan, and like Mitt is doing this very moment, was a candidate for president. Only George Romney was a liberal Republican and a Vietnam dove who claimed he was "brainwashed" into originally supporting LBJ's war when the Gulf of Tonkin occured. Mitt Romney, has to this very day claimed that his father was the most influential person in his life, and had reportedly expressed very intense anti-war comments to fellow students at liberal Stanford, saying in effect he would never go.
When he dropped out, being a Mormon, he could apply for a "ministerial deferment" that were given. And plenty were given to Mormons; in fact the exemption for Mormon missionaries created controversy at the time. Non-Mormons in Utah filed a lawsuit against the federal government in 1968. The suit was still in court two years later, at a time when "the church and the Selective Service System work hand-in-hand in deferring the missionaries," according to an article from the period published by The New York Times. Richard Leedy, the lawyer who brought the suit, said in a telephone interview that he did so because "the substantial number of deferments to missionaries made the likelihood of us non-Mormons going to Vietnam a lot more likely."
Remember, this was the same deferment denied Muhammad Ali.
After his nearly three-year mission, Romney was granted another three-and-a half years of deferment to finish BYU. So, by the time more than six years had passed, he was finally eligible for the draft again--and by that time the war was winding down.
Accordingly, there is not much difference to me between Bill Clinton and Mitt Romney--both escaped putting their precious little a$$e$ on the line for their country by just outlasting the system. I suppose for you Mittwitts its something to be proud of...but not to me.
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