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To: TXnMA; jeffers; B4Ranch

I’m not a structural engineer.

But why did Pier 6 move at all? It is not only a tilt, but a dislocation. If it was anchored properly, it should not have moved the way it did, but rather collapsed in some way. The center span collapsing most likely would have separated at the expansion joint at the approach span, at both ends.

The longer part of the collapsed center section started from Pier 6. The shorter section of the span came from Pier 7. Pier 6 has its rocker bearings and plates intact atop the pier. Pier 7 has the piertops shorn off where the bearing plates were.

The longer section of the bridge fell pretty much in line vertically. The shorter section is off to one side of Pier 7 by a fair degree.

What does that indicate? To me it indicated the presence of a tremendous horizontal force,possibility building over time, not just a failure where gravity then took over.

Could the bridge after failing at U10 pushed toward Pier 7 as it collapsed? Sure it could.

And the moment force at Pier 6 could have been sufficient to dislodge the entire pier structure? Possibly.

The bridge was inspected for scour. But the visibility by Pier 6 was always almost zero due to turbidity caused by the extreme current of the river. Even post collapse recovery efforts were hampered by the extremely low visibility in the water.

I am having trouble with the article’s explanation that the gusset plates were supposed to be twice the thickness. The bridge should have collapsed as soon as the number of lanes was doubled from four to eight years agoif that was the case.

The bridge was designed in the 1960s when design was very conservative, so adequate safety factors should have been involved.

Jeffers submits that U10 failed due to corrosion—that would make more sense than this article.

But until the subsurface condition of Pier 6 is investigated, I cannot rule out the possibility of its role.

That’s just my opinion. Sometimes Occam’s Razor is right and sometimes it is not.


67 posted on 01/16/2008 6:18:50 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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To: exit82
"But why did Pier 6 move at all?"

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I know you know this -- but it was pier 7 that moved... '-)

When I first saw the tilt of Pier pair #7 -- and the (intact) condition of its "shoes" -- and the position of the deck leaning on Pier 7, I had the exact, same concern you did.

However, I took the time and effort to do a lot of analysis -- to prove my own first impression to be wrong...

The collapse of the deck landward of pier 7 was very sudden and very rapid. That appeared to me to be the force that shoved the top(s) of pier 7 toward the river. I don't have the video on this machine, but, IIRC, that event occurred some fifteen seconds after the bridge started collapsing.

You are probably correct that the proximity of the piers' base to the river allowed the pier-base displacement to occur -- and that scour may have played some role in that weakness.

However, I see no evidence that said weakness contributed at all to the initiation of the failure.

72 posted on 01/16/2008 9:01:00 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: exit82

This is complicated, but here goes. The earliest failure I can detect took place at U 10, east side.

Why?

Because it’s at the bottom of the pile. There’s one other piece of bridge, at the bottom of the pile too, in a different place, a short section of sidespan quite a bit south of the river, specifically the north end of the road deck that came to rest vertically, that the southbound semi crashed into, and that the southbound school bus almost crashed into.

Either could have been the initial trigger for the event. I prefer the mainspan trigger, because more bridge is involved, but from this distance, given the imagery available, I can’t say either way with any certainty.

For now, I consider the original trigger, one of the two specified above, to be moot.

The key to understanding the failure sequence, once U10 was not delivering in function, after it tore, is the understanding of the nature of the bridge itself, as designed.

At the highest level of simplicity, there were three bridges, from south to north, a standard beam and post highway overpass type bridge, a trussed span over the river, and another beam and post highway bridge at the north end.

At the next, more complex level, we look only at the trussed span. Strictly speaking, there were three trussed spans, supported by four double piers, from south to north, pier 5, 6, 7, and 8, but even this is misleading. The real meat of the nature of the bridge design comes now.

Instead of three trussed spans and four pairs of piers, think of four, T shaped piers, with very short sections of road deck connecting the horizontal ends of each T shaped pier.

The superstructure of the bridge was designed as a complex combination of a cantilever and a simple truss, such that the first few panels of truss, on either side of any given pier, are in balance with the oppossing first few panels on the opposite side of the same pier. In a perfect world, you could remove all but three panels of truss on either side of one pair of piers, and they would stand there in perfect balance, because that’s precisely what they were designed to do.

If, however, you remove one bolt from either side, the structure becomes unbalanced about the pier and will tilt off to the other side like an unbalanced teeter-totter on the playground.

With this in mind, we can now see the failure sequence.

1. U10 east fails, creating two significant problems for the entire east truss, basically everything south of the failure, and everything north of the failure. U10 is at the north end of the pier 6 “Tee”.

2. The south end of the east truss atop pier six now carries itself plus the short section of southern road deck, while the north end, separated by the U10 fracture, only carries itself. Like the unbalanced teeter-totter, the north end begins to rise, while the heavier south end drops, the whole rotating about the top of pier six.

3. The south end of the short section of road deck still attached to the pier seven “Tee”, is not designed to be self supporting, nor is it carried by pier 7, so it also begins to fall. Remember, so far, we are only looking at the east truss.

4. While the superstructure above pier 6 (east side) is rotating about pier 6 due to the unbalanced forces around pier 6, the short section of road deck still hanging from the pier 7 “Tee”, (actually a pretty long section of road deck, the full length of the mainspan minus 4 panels) sags enough to put most or all of its load on the west truss, centered at pier 6.

5. The west truss around pier six cannot sustain the additional load and begins to distort. The connections between the short section of mainspan road deck and pier 7 cannot hold the mainspan up either and shear off. Things are happening very quickly, and even a supercomputer might not get the sequence here exactly right.

6. The center span road deck is now in freefall two panels south of pier 7, in freefall on its east side two panels north of pier 6, and all or in great part, loading the west half of pier 6. The entire superstructure, the road deck and both trusses, begins to lean to the east, but cannot move laterally to the east, because it is still connected to pier 6 via the west truss. It twists instead.

7. This twist imposes a rotation onto the “tee” supported by pier 6, including both the east and west truss. The lateral crossbracing between the two trusses fails, and almost, but not quite simultaneausly, the U10 and L10 connections on the west truss let go.

8. The mainspan, now in complete freefall, drops straight down into the water, coming to rest where we see it in the post collapse imagery. The superstructure above pier 6, continues its sideways rotation, to collapse with the west truss atop the east truss, and it takes the north end of the pier 5-pier 6 span eastward with it.

9. The superstructure atop pier 7 doesn’t know it’s dead yet and remains standing for several seconds. But it too is unbalanced. Its south end carries nothing, while its north end carries the south end of the pier 7-pier 8 span. Slowly, it begins to rotate, both trusses in unison, river end up, shore end down, another unbalanced teeter-totter.

10. But there is a critical difference between the pier 6 assembly and the pier 7 assembly. The pier 6 superstructure rests atop a roller bearing nest, basically some very large steel rolling pins. This is done so the bridge can expand and contract as seasons change, sliding north and south atop pier 6. Pier 7 however, is fixed, pinned in place, the bearing plates are fixed, with no rollers, directly atop the concrete of pier 7.

11. Had this been simple beam and post construction, with a span depth miniscule compared to span distance, the pier 7-pier 8 span would have broken and fell, without greatly disturbing pier 7, even though there were no roller bearings at pier 7. But it wasn’t. The superstructure thickened atop the piers, and simple geometry, as the span sagged, pushed pier 7 riverward as if the earth holding it in place didn’t exist.

12. At some point in the sag of the north sidespan (Pier 7-pier 8), and the rotation of the top of pier 7, the pier 7 bearing plates disconnected. At that point, pier 7 itself stopped moving, and the superstructure slid atop pier 7, coming to rest as seen in the post collapse imagery.

The above is as close to a non-engineering failure sequence as I can manage. Jim Trent posted a must read opinion, from the point of view of an experienced inspector/designer, here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1879030/posts?q=1&;page=1#1

Since I’m not a professional engineer, and enjoy the professional freedom that allows without retribution, or penalty for error, I posted some deeper analysis and speculation, from the point of view of an engineering trained, longtime construction field supervisor, here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1884493/posts?page=1

The latter has imagery depicting the failure sequence, though the description may be more technical in nature.

If you still have questions, you can look deeper at the sources above, or ask them here and I will try to answer them.


74 posted on 01/16/2008 9:30:30 PM PST by jeffers
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To: exit82

In the original discussion, I had focused on the “frozen” roller bearings of pier 6. My idea was that the expansion of the main span in the heat pushed the top of the pier outwards until the rollers “jumped” causing the bottom bearing to fail.

The problem with this is that the rollers were flung towards the river and the top of the pier fell sideways and away from the river, inconsistent with a sudden movement of the bottom of the pier away from the river.

It now occurs to me that such a jump of the roller bearings could easily have been a trigger for the failure of the gusset. The inward force on the bottom of the pier in resistance to the expansion would lessen the tension along the bottom of the truss where the gusset failed. A jump of the bearings would cause a sudden increase in the tension, constituting a “yank” which could part the gusset.

I believe such bearing jumps were a known and accepted consequence of frozen bearings in general, and were mentioned in the circa 2000 analysis I read. I couldn’t and can’t understand how the dysfunction of these elaborate mechanisms could be so readily accepted, as they were a major design element, implemented at obvious trouble and expense, which signifies to me that someone at some time, at least, considered them to be quite important.


83 posted on 01/17/2008 1:12:41 AM PST by dr_lew
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