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National Review Online ^ | January 15, 2008 | Roy Spencer

Posted on 01/15/2008 8:45:11 AM PST by neverdem

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1 posted on 01/15/2008 8:45:13 AM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Sane words that should be read every day by every politician. The global warming hysteria involves feeling good. I warn my daughters to beware of do-gooders. Building wind mills and solar panels, driving a Prius, and putting ethanol in your tank will not change the earth’s climate regardless of whether climate change occurs and its cause is human influenced. However all of these feel good efforts will eventually lower our living standard. Perhaps lowering our standard of living is the point.


2 posted on 01/15/2008 8:55:05 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: neverdem

Good article. Sort of like Lomborg (sp?) who talks about prioritizing humanity’s needs so that we can make the best use of our limited resources (money). I taught about this in Sunday School last Sunday. The Leftists act as if they are like God, with unlimited resources and brilliant unlimited wisdom. But we must have a realistic view of ourselves. We are limited in both resources and wisdom.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 8:56:15 AM PST by DeweyCA
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To: neverdem
This is such a reasonable article, I wish everyone would read it. He is a believer in GW, but doesn't buy they anthropogenic part of the hysteria:

This whole discussion, of course, assumes that man-made global warming will be a serious problem that needs to be addressed. I’m one of those who believe that our current global warmth is more likely to be mostly due to natural climate variability. But I can not prove this.

But neither can the global-warming alarmists prove that our current warmth is not the result of natural climate variability. Not one published study has ruled out natural causes, such as a slight change in cloud cover from a tiny change in the general circulation of the atmosphere.

Thats reasonable I think. He is a skeptic of AGW, but not a denier.

His point about what to do is dead on. I agree that Nuclear is really our only option at this point, but that politically it would be very difficult. Heck, I think we should have a new Manhattan project of building as many Nukes as we could over the next 50 years.

Global Warming Hysteria is nothing more than Apocalism wrapped up in FeelGoodism.

4 posted on 01/15/2008 9:03:52 AM PST by Paradox (Politics: The art of convincing the populace that your delusions are superior to others.)
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To: businessprofessor

I’ve been saying all along that all we need do is become carbon-free; don’t use anything with carbon in it and bury or encapsulize all carbon-containing substances we discover.

In a single generation not one of us would then even remember the great concerns of today.


5 posted on 01/15/2008 9:39:57 AM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: neverdem

Real math and real science say that alternative fuels and a flex fuel engine can put a real dent in the need to import fuel. The flex fuel engine is already available, but what isn’t here yet is the pump at every station delivering the 85/15 mixture.

What isn’t here is the government getting its regulations off the backs of our coal producers who ALREADY can produce METHANOL (which burns in flex fuel engines), and it burns cleanly, and we have a huge supply.

What isn’t here is some politician with the guts to fight those who won’t let us drill for oil, mine for coal, and light up homes with nuke energy.

That’s real science and real math, but it’s not the deniers who are all of the problem. It’s the “just say no” crowd in the nanny state who are causing the biggest problems.


6 posted on 01/15/2008 9:57:03 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain! True Supporters of Our Troops Support the Necessity of their Sacrifice!)
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To: neverdem
The energy debate has gotten so insane that I often find myself arguing with people who are proposing replacng our current sources with purely hypothetical ones.

As in, solar power will cost ten times what we know pay for electricity. Then they say, but new technologies that are just around the corner (meaning they do not yet exist) will be cheaper.

I point out that you can’t replace a real source with a hypothetical one. You can’t even compare them, because one of them doesn’t exist.

7 posted on 01/15/2008 10:43:25 AM PST by Red Boots
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To: neverdem

bump


8 posted on 01/15/2008 10:45:15 AM PST by VOA
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To: neverdem
Sooner or later someone is going to show up at you door.

One of those might be the socialist mind control thought police; the other may be a cold starving who bet wrong on the direction of this global warming craze. I suggest you let neither in.

9 posted on 01/15/2008 11:08:00 AM PST by Herakles (Diversity is code word for anti-white racism)
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To: Red Boots

You are aware that NanoSolar is already supplying solar power plants with solar cells at 1/10th the old cost, right ? That these power plants can produce electricity at lower cost than a coal plant ?


10 posted on 01/15/2008 11:14:11 AM PST by Kellis91789 (Liberals aren't atheists. They simply worship government.)
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To: neverdem

Well stated. What few think about is coal and oil are concentrated energy accumulated over years. Solar, wind are a poor substitute for concentrated energy sources.

Nuclear power now. Lock up the loonies or deport those that try to stop us. 10% of the population should not be able to grind a nations progress to a halt.


11 posted on 01/15/2008 11:29:21 AM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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To: Kellis91789
NanoSolar is already supplying solar power plants with solar cells at 1/10th the old cost

They have hardly started and have zero impact at this point. Buy stock in this? They will be gone in a decade, odds 100-1.

12 posted on 01/15/2008 11:31:51 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: Kellis91789

Someone on another forum mentioned that nanosolar is using some very rare items in the manufacturing of their film solar panels.

I didn’t get around to checking it out.

There was also disagreement of their claimed cost per KWH.


13 posted on 01/15/2008 11:33:31 AM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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very rare items materials
14 posted on 01/15/2008 11:35:01 AM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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To: businessprofessor

The Left’s preferred society resembles feudal Europe more than anything else. They believe that only the Elite, a very small number of superior people- them- should have technology and should not be tied unalterably to an assigned location as must be the commons. At the top should be a Wise King such as JFK or perhaps Obama; or possibly a committee of Wise Technocrats to push the world’s buttons and pull its strings. And of course, the world’s population should be quickly reduced to no more than (insert number between 50 million and 500 million). They think that once technology exists it will not decay but be quite self-perpetuating for the elite with possibly a few genetically engineered technocrats keeping it all running.


15 posted on 01/15/2008 11:35:30 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Paradox
Global Warming Hysteria is nothing more than Apocalism wrapped up in FeelGoodism

No, the whole "man-made Global Warming" scam is an attempt by one-world government socialists to gain support and power for one-world socialism. Apocalism is their scare tactic to get converts to take up their cause and FeelGoodism is the emotional reward given to those simple-minded fools who sign on to it.

16 posted on 01/15/2008 11:35:56 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Redefeat Communism by defeating Hitlary in 2008)
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To: neverdem
Our vehicles are ridicules.

Why do you need a 2500 lbs. car to transport a 150 human?

We could be using 125cc motorcycles for most of our transportation (to work and home).

17 posted on 01/15/2008 11:38:30 AM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: xzins

The problem is that the Left is NOT interested in a technology or fuels that let the population continue its modern merry technological existence. They are Luddites, pure and simple who desire to go back to some ideal society that existed (it just needed the modern Superior Elite to run it)in the Middle Ages.


18 posted on 01/15/2008 11:38:55 AM PST by ThanhPhero (di hanh huong den La Vang)
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To: Old Professer

Denying the plants food? You meanie! ;)


19 posted on 01/15/2008 11:39:31 AM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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To: Doe Eyes
We could be using 125cc motorcycles for most of our transportation (to work and home).

Do you?

20 posted on 01/15/2008 11:40:36 AM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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