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1 posted on 01/15/2008 5:15:30 AM PST by forkinsocket
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Thank also the Byzantines and the Irish ( remember the book “How The Irish Saved The West ). There was a great deal of colaberation.
2 posted on 01/15/2008 5:18:21 AM PST by Biggirl (A biggirl with a big heart for God's animal creation, with 4 cats in my life as proof. =^..^=)
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The problems with this article should be glaring. The most ingenious of the innovations that came from Arabs, came before Mohammad.


3 posted on 01/15/2008 5:19:09 AM PST by wolfpat (If you don't like the Patriot Act, you're really gonna hate Sharia Law.)
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“The Renaissance couldn’t have happened out of nothing,”

Precisely who ever said that it did? This article is a piece of nothing.

4 posted on 01/15/2008 5:19:35 AM PST by Pietro
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“It is a failure which stems, I think, from the straitjacket of history which we have inherited. The medieval Islamic world, from Central Asia to the shores of the Atlantic, was a world where scholars and men of learning flourished,” said Charles. “But because we have tended to see Islam as the enemy of the West, as an alien culture, society and system of belief, we have tended to ignore or erase its great relevance to our own history.”

Don’t worry Prince, at the rate things are going you’ll soon get to celebrate its relevance to your future. Which sounds as if it would suit you just fine.


5 posted on 01/15/2008 5:20:57 AM PST by bereanway (Hunter in '08)
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neither could have 911


6 posted on 01/15/2008 5:21:25 AM PST by jjw
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‘Renaissance Couldn’t Have Happened Without Muslim Input’

Quite true. Were it not for Mohammedan violence and cruelty in the destruction of the Byzantine empire, Byzantine scholars would not have fled for western Europe.

7 posted on 01/15/2008 5:21:44 AM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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‘Renaissance Couldn’t Have Happened Without Muslim Input’

These towel hats, currently living in the 6th century, have the nerve to imply they are the seeds of western knowlege.

What arrogant @$$wipes.


8 posted on 01/15/2008 5:22:00 AM PST by Vaquero (" an armed society is a polite society" Heinlein "MOLON LABE!" Leonidas of Sparta)
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Fatima vowed to spend her entire inheritance on building a mosque suitable for her community. This remarkable story is a typical example shedding some light on the role and contribution of women to Muslim civilization. Such a role is the subject of widely held misconceptions about Islam,” said Al-Hassani.

So she bankrupted herself by building a monument and traning ground to the Faith that made her a second class citizen and ultimately a pauper

9 posted on 01/15/2008 5:23:24 AM PST by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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It is absolutely true that Islamic science contributed to western society on some level. It is also true that the last contribution was over six hundred years ago, and the current technological/scientific representation of Islam is a pig turd on a hot sidewalk.


10 posted on 01/15/2008 5:23:25 AM PST by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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The Muslim contribution to the Renaissance is kind of like how good you feel when a headache finally stops. The Muslims were the headache.

When I am fighting with a rabid dog with my right hand, I don’t create any great works of art with my left. When the dog goes away, though, I have time for the better things in life.


11 posted on 01/15/2008 5:23:33 AM PST by gridlock (300 Million Americans will not be elected President in 2008. Hillary Clinton will be one of them.)
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this is actually true - but no thanks to Islam itself.

what the Crusaders saw in the Middle East, and the scientific books they discovered there layed the groundwork, and the final impulse came from the foreign trade carried out by the Italian city states. if it had been up to the Muslims, there would have been no Renaissance, only Dhimmi...

unfortunately for Islam, it has progressed basically *zip* since the Middle Ages...

13 posted on 01/15/2008 5:27:35 AM PST by chilepepper (The map is not the territory -- Alfred Korzybski)
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Put on your hipboots folks,its more BS from mad mo’s liers


14 posted on 01/15/2008 5:28:50 AM PST by Charlespg (Peace= When we trod the ruins of Mecca and Medina under our infidel boots.)
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"859 C.E."

What is "C.E."?

15 posted on 01/15/2008 5:30:29 AM PST by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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So, you know something. Every time my students complain in my Algebra class and whine about the subject, I’ll tell them to blame the Muslims.


16 posted on 01/15/2008 5:32:37 AM PST by Tanniker Smith (Geek Squad -- if you're desperate and don't need a PC for a month, we're here for you.)
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Lots of good comments! Imho, you’re all right.


19 posted on 01/15/2008 5:36:01 AM PST by khnyny (Clinton and Co. are the carnies of American politics.)
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Arab societies gave us the Astrolabe, but that was about it, and had nothing to do with Islam. Pre-Islamic Arab developments were much more robust. Islam had a definite retrograde effect on science and medicine in conquered lands.


23 posted on 01/15/2008 5:44:40 AM PST by montag813
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History through islamic colored glasses.


24 posted on 01/15/2008 5:45:41 AM PST by JWinNC (www.anailinhisplace.net)
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There was a lost age of Muslim innovation and invention that Muslims are not communicating to the West, he said. It is not included in the their history syllabus or textbooks either.

In other words - they forgot their own Kwanzaa of thought?

NOTE: Kwanzaa was selected as the comparison because it was a newly-minted "tradition" with no historical basis.

If the muslims want to invent a new "history" of invention and innovation, let them show the true evidence of it, not simply insinuate themselves into others' achievements.

25 posted on 01/15/2008 5:47:25 AM PST by MortMan (Have a pheasant plucking day!)
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He appointed Samra bint Nuhayk Al-Asadiyya as a market inspector in Makkah and Ash-Shifa bint Abdullah as an administrator of the market in Madinah. “Later, Ash-Shifa was appointed as the head of health and safety in Basra,”

I wonder who he appointed to head the EPA and the DOT?


31 posted on 01/15/2008 5:51:44 AM PST by Hacklehead (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the hippies.)
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Just another story about muslims trying to re-write history.


32 posted on 01/15/2008 5:55:45 AM PST by Anonymous Rex ( For Rent)
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