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To: ketsu

The issue here is not whether fascism is identically equivalent to socialism, which is the issue you seem to be pedantically fixated on. Of course there are subtle differences. But the major aspects are very similar.

Most notably, socialism and fascism are both *leftist* ideologies. Goldberg is correcting the BIG LIE started by Stalin and mindlessly regurgitated ad nauseum by leftists that communism and fascism are “opposites,” and by implication that fascism must therefore be a right-wing ideology. That lie has infected our political discourse and used for decades as a tool to keep conservatives on the defensive, defending themselves from being compared to Nazis.

It is the socialists and leftists that actually have much more in common with Nazism. Until that point is widely understood, conservatism will be at an artificial disadvantage with modern liberalism.

And, yes, the Nazis were obviously socialists. They were fascists too. The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be conservative and protestant at the same time, for example, but that doesn’t mean that all conservatives are protestants or vice versa.

Is that clear now? Good Lord...


53 posted on 01/16/2008 8:46:07 AM PST by RussP
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To: RussP

One more point here. I think it is safe to say that all fascists are socialists, but not all socialists are fascists. Communists, for example, are socialists but not fascists. Stalin made that very clear. But off hand I can’t think of any fascists that were not socialists. Socialism is really just the economic aspect of leftism. So that is really just saying that fascists are leftists. And that is what Goldberg is saying — correctly.


54 posted on 01/16/2008 8:51:33 AM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
The issue here is not whether fascism is identically equivalent to socialism, which is the issue you seem to be pedantically fixated on. Of course there are subtle differences. But the major aspects are very similar.

Most notably, socialism and fascism are both *leftist* ideologies. Goldberg is correcting the BIG LIE started by Stalin and mindlessly regurgitated ad nauseum by leftists that communism and fascism are “opposites,” and by implication that fascism must therefore be a right-wing ideology. That lie has infected our political discourse and used for decades as a tool to keep conservatives on the defensive, defending themselves from being compared to Nazis.

It is the socialists and leftists that actually have much more in common with Nazism. Until that point is widely understood, conservatism will be at an artificial disadvantage with modern liberalism.

And, yes, the Nazis were obviously socialists. They were fascists too. The two are not mutually exclusive. One can be conservative and protestant at the same time, for example, but that doesn’t mean that all conservatives are protestants or vice versa.

Is that clear now? Good Lord...
They *are* mutually exclusive. You don't understand the background of either ideology(or anything else for that matter, you seem to exist only to regurgitate what you're told). Your idea of reasoning is diatribes and assertions. Truly sad.

Do you even know who Hegel was? And how he figures into this?
55 posted on 01/16/2008 9:24:12 AM PST by ketsu
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