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To: ketsu

“Liberalism and fascism *are* similar, but fundamentally comparing the two is an apples and oranges analogy.”

Liberals (modern sense) tend to be socialists. The original Italian and German fascists *were* socialists by every meaningful measure. So liberals and fascists have a lot in common.

Your problem is that you don’t even recognize that the Nazis were socialists, despite the fact that they called themselves socialists and were democratically elected on a socialist platform. So you are in denial of basic reality. Discussions with people like you are very unlikely to be fruitful.

Goldberg’s main thesis is that fascism is a Leftist ideology, and he documents that thesis abundantly and overwhelmingly. The reason fascism is considered “right wing” is because good ol’ Uncle Joe Stalin started that myth to help discredit the fascists. We don’t need to be burdened any longer with Stalinist myths.


37 posted on 01/14/2008 12:27:09 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP

One more point about Stalin. I’m not sure if he actually called fascism “right wing,” but he emphatically claimed that it was an abomination and was opposed to communism. So the Western commies assumed that fascism must be a “right wing” ideology because “right” is opposite of “left.” That’s like hearing the leader of the Crips cursing the Bloods — and concluding that the Bloods must therefore be working for the police.


38 posted on 01/14/2008 1:44:03 PM PST by RussP
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To: RussP
Liberals (modern sense) tend to be socialists. The original Italian and German fascists *were* socialists by every meaningful measure. So liberals and fascists have a lot in common.

Your problem is that you don’t even recognize that the Nazis were socialists, despite the fact that they called themselves socialists and were democratically elected on a socialist platform. So you are in denial of basic reality. Discussions with people like you are very unlikely to be fruitful.

Goldberg’s main thesis is that fascism is a Leftist ideology, and he documents that thesis abundantly and overwhelmingly. The reason fascism is considered “right wing” is because good ol’ Uncle Joe Stalin started that myth to help discredit the fascists. We don’t need to be burdened any longer with Stalinist myths.
Uuuum... no. You still don't know what socialism is either. You're stuck on the newspeak definitions which tend to mean "anything I don't like". I'm willing to bet your definition of socialism will be as laughably bad as your definition of fascism.

The Nazi's *were not* socialists. If you had the faintest idea what fascism and socialism actually stand for as ideologies you would know that. But you've long since established that you're militantly ignorant and unwilling/incapable of actually using and understanding words with any degree of precision.

Goldberg's thesis is equally laughable.
39 posted on 01/14/2008 9:36:35 PM PST by ketsu
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