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New ID Rules May Complicate Air Travel(REAL ID)
newsmax.com ^ | January 11, 2008 9:38 PM | staff

Posted on 01/12/2008 5:42:02 AM PST by kellynla

Millions of air travelers may find going through airport security much more complicated this spring, as the Bush administration heads toward a showdown with state governments over post-Sept. 11 rules for new driver's licenses.

By May, the dispute could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes, but privacy advocates called that a hollow threat by federal officials.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act's rules on Friday, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.

Chertoff said that for any state which doesn't seek such a waiver by May, residents of that state will have to use a passport or certain types of federal border-crossing cards if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

The plan's chief critic, the American Civil Liberties Union, called Chertoff's deadline a bluff — and urged state governments to call him on it.

"Are they really prepared to shut those airports down? Which is what effectively would happen if the residents of those states are going to have to go through secondary scrutiny," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "This is a scare tactic."

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act's provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Maine officials said Friday they were unsure if their own state law even allows them to ask for a waiver.

"It certainly seems to be an effort by the federal government to create compliance with REAL ID whether states have an interest in doing so or not," said Don Cookson, spokesman for the Maine secretary of state's office.

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes: The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states.

The Homeland Security Department and other officials say the only way to ensure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics such as the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

Congress passed the REAL ID law in 2005, but the effort has been delayed by opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years, over which time the new requirements would gradually be phased in.

A key deadline would come in 2011, when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance, and the regulations would not take full effect for all Americans until 2017.

To make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, said Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant card, with the notable exception of those older than 50, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that if someone is rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked if that person tried to con the system again.

_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

_After Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks. State DMV offices would be required to verify birth certificates; check with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license; and check with the State Department to verify applicants who use passports to get a driver's license.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: realid; realidact; travel
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To: nicmarlo

Digital Equipment Corporation was a pioneering American company in the computer industry. It is often referred to within the computing industry as DEC. (This acronym was frequently officially used by Digital itself,[1] but the official name was always DIGITAL.) Its PDP and VAX products were arguably the most popular minicomputers for the scientific and engineering communities during the 1970s and 1980s. DEC was acquired by Compaq in June 1998, which subsequently merged with Hewlett-Packard in May 2002. As of 2007 its product lines were still produced under the HP name. From 1957 until 1992 its headquarters was in an old woolen mill in Maynard, Massachusetts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Equipment_Corporation


61 posted on 01/12/2008 9:52:29 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: processing please hold
You see where I'm headed with this. Chinagate has a hand in this.

Yep, I do.....

62 posted on 01/12/2008 9:53:02 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: processing please hold
Gus Tai is in the background everywhere in this ID bs. From company to company to company.

Sure does seem to, doesn't he?

63 posted on 01/12/2008 9:53:30 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: processing please hold

You know that Goldman Sachs is involved with things Global (and are CFR members).


64 posted on 01/12/2008 9:54:28 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: kellynla

bump


65 posted on 01/12/2008 9:55:15 AM PST by VOA
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To: nicmarlo

Yes he does.


66 posted on 01/12/2008 10:02:02 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo

Yes, I checked that out I just forgot to mention it, sorry. My head is so full of trying to connect dots.


67 posted on 01/12/2008 10:03:25 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

CFR Members from Goldman Sachs

Peter L. Briger, - former partner of Goldman Sachs
Robert Chartener - former Goldman Sachs banker; partner of Winslow Partner LLC
Teresa Hillary Clarke - former vice president of Goldman Sachs
Abby Joseph Cohen - a managing director of Goldman Sachs
Henry Cornell - a managing director at Goldman Sachs

L. Brooks Entwistle - managing director of Goldman Sachs
Eugene V. Fife - Chairman of Eclipsys Corporation; former general partner of Goldman Sachs
Stephen Friedman, Sr., VP, Co-Chairman, Goldman, Sachs — TC
Robert D. Hormats, Robert D. - Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs (International); former Assistant Secretary of State for Economic and Business Affairs under Reagan (1981-1982) — TC
Robert J. Hurst - Vice Chairman of Goldman Sachs

Scott Bancroft Kapnick - head of investment banking at Goldman Sachs
Robert J. Katz - former general counsel of Goldman Sachs
Frank E. Loy – advisory director for Goldman Sachs; former Under Secretary of State for Global Affairs (1997-2001)
E. Scott Mead - a managing director of Goldman Sachs
Michael Nacht - Dean of the Goldman School of Public Policy at UC Berkeley; former Assistant Director at the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (1994-1997)

Henry M. Paulson Jr. - Secretary of the Treasury; former Chairman and CEO of Goldman Sachs
Peter M. Sacerdote - advisory director for Goldman Sachs
John L. Thornton - Chairman of The Brookings Institution; former President of Goldman Sachs; a professor at Tsinghua Univ. in Beijing; attended 6 Bilderberg meetings
Carol Michele Veit - former vice president of Goldman Sachs; a consultant at C.V. Associates
von Lipsey, Rod (Roderick K.) - vice president at Goldman Sachs & Co. Private Wealth Management, Investment Management Division; a former Marine

Robert B. von Mehren - retired partner of Debevoise & Plimpton LLP
John C. Whitehead - former Deputy Secretary of State (1985-1989); former partner of Goldman Sachs; a Bilderberger
Tracy R. Wolstencroft - a managing director of Goldman Sachs
Jaime Ernesto Yordan - former Managing Director and Chairman of Goldman Sachs Latin America

“TC” Trilateral Commission

http://www.stopthenorthamericanunion.com/CFRMembers.html


68 posted on 01/12/2008 10:10:33 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf

No grocery store around here ever asks me for any identification whatsoever, and I don’t understand how doing so would benefit their business. The bank only rarely asks for any identification, even when I withdraw cash or cash checks.


69 posted on 01/12/2008 10:13:02 AM PST by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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To: nicmarlo
Very important post. Thanks for putting it up.

I'm going over a list of companys that Venture Capital has invested in. It reads like a whos who.

70 posted on 01/12/2008 10:14:01 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
a list of companys that Venture Capital has invested in. It reads like a whos who.

That so?! In my scanning the internet, I also discovered that Tai donated $1,000 to Howard Dean.

71 posted on 01/12/2008 10:16:46 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: nicmarlo
Interesting, Dean huh?

I'm searching for a connection between Bain, Loral Space and Communications Corp. and Hughes Electronics Corp.?

I believe the clintons shut down Able Danger because of the chinese connection.

Sandy Berger, well, check out this Able Danger site when you find a little spare time.

http://www.abledangerblog.com/2006_09_01_archive.html

72 posted on 01/12/2008 10:24:33 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: CaptainAmiigaf
Hey guys, this is 2008, not 1908.

Powerful argument. Above average for this thread anyway.

73 posted on 01/12/2008 10:26:04 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: RightWhale

Hi, RW how ya been?


74 posted on 01/12/2008 10:27:48 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold
Venture Capital....you're talking about a company, or the monies funded by Trinity Ventures?????? (Otherwise, where are you getting "Venture Capital"?) About Trinity Ventures

Founded in 1986, Trinity Ventures is a value-added investor that provides capital, networks and resources to early-stage software, communications and enterprise systems companies that offer critical infrastructure and services. Trinity's focus is to accelerate growth and improve the probability of long term success for the companies in its portfolio by being an active, accessible partner. With more than $1 billion under management, Trinity Ventures has a proven track record of working in close collaboration with entrepreneurs to build leading companies, such as Extreme Networks, Network Alchemy, Crescendo Communications, Forte Software, Illustra and Starbucks. For more information on Trinity Ventures, please visit www.trinityventures.com.

About Amalfi Semiconductor

Amalfi Semiconductor is a fabless semiconductor company specializing in cost effective, low power mixed-signal RF solutions for wireless applications.

75 posted on 01/12/2008 10:30:05 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: processing please hold

Yep, Howard Dean

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?zip=94025&last=Tai&first=Gus


76 posted on 01/12/2008 10:34:42 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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To: processing please hold

Finally got a cellphone, which meant I had to get a debit card, so the system of the Beast has recaptured this fugitive but still unchipped citizen.


77 posted on 01/12/2008 10:35:18 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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To: nicmarlo

Gus Tai worked for both companies. Trinity Ventures and Venture Capital. It shows them as two separate company’s.


78 posted on 01/12/2008 10:38:08 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: RightWhale
I had to get a debit card, so the system of the Beast has recaptured this fugitive but still unchipped citizen.

Like you, our debit card put us in THE SYSTEM, lol For the time being, we are unchipped as well. lolol

79 posted on 01/12/2008 10:40:21 AM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: processing please hold

I see. ty.


80 posted on 01/12/2008 10:41:29 AM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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