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New ID Rules May Complicate Air Travel(REAL ID)
newsmax.com ^ | January 11, 2008 9:38 PM | staff

Posted on 01/12/2008 5:42:02 AM PST by kellynla

Millions of air travelers may find going through airport security much more complicated this spring, as the Bush administration heads toward a showdown with state governments over post-Sept. 11 rules for new driver's licenses.

By May, the dispute could leave millions of people unable to use their licenses to board planes, but privacy advocates called that a hollow threat by federal officials.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who was unveiling final details of the REAL ID Act's rules on Friday, said that if states want their licenses to remain valid for air travel after May 2008, those states must seek a waiver indicating they want more time to comply with the legislation.

Chertoff said that for any state which doesn't seek such a waiver by May, residents of that state will have to use a passport or certain types of federal border-crossing cards if they want to avoid a vigorous secondary screening at airport security.

"The last thing I want to do is punish citizens of a state who would love to have a REAL ID license but can't get one," Chertoff said. "But in the end, the rule is the rule as passed by Congress."

The plan's chief critic, the American Civil Liberties Union, called Chertoff's deadline a bluff — and urged state governments to call him on it.

"Are they really prepared to shut those airports down? Which is what effectively would happen if the residents of those states are going to have to go through secondary scrutiny," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's technology and liberty program. "This is a scare tactic."

So far, 17 states have passed legislation or resolutions objecting to the REAL ID Act's provisions, many due to concerns it will cost them too much to comply. The 17, according to the ACLU, are Arkansas, Colorado, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Maine, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Dakota, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington.

Maine officials said Friday they were unsure if their own state law even allows them to ask for a waiver.

"It certainly seems to be an effort by the federal government to create compliance with REAL ID whether states have an interest in doing so or not," said Don Cookson, spokesman for the Maine secretary of state's office.

The Sept. 11 attacks were the main motivation for the changes: The hijacker-pilot who flew into the Pentagon, Hani Hanjour, had four driver's licenses and ID cards from three states.

The Homeland Security Department and other officials say the only way to ensure an ID is safe is to check it against secure government data; critics such as the ACLU say that creates a system that is more likely to be infiltrated and have its personal data pilfered.

Congress passed the REAL ID law in 2005, but the effort has been delayed by opposition from states worried about the cost and civil libertarians upset about what they believe are invasions of privacy.

Under the rules announced Friday, Americans born after Dec. 1, 1964, will have to get more secure driver's licenses in the next six years, over which time the new requirements would gradually be phased in.

A key deadline would come in 2011, when federal authorities hope all states will be in compliance, and the regulations would not take full effect for all Americans until 2017.

To make the plan more appealing to cost-conscious states, federal authorities drastically reduced the expected cost from $14.6 billion to $3.9 billion, a 73 percent decline, said Homeland Security officials familiar with the plan.

By 2014, anyone seeking to board an airplane or enter a federal building would have to present a REAL ID-compliant card, with the notable exception of those older than 50, Homeland Security officials said.

The over-50 exemption was created to give states more time to get everyone new licenses, and officials say the risk of someone in that age group being a terrorist, illegal immigrant or con artist is much less. By 2017, even those over 50 must have a REAL ID-compliant card to board a plane.

Among other details of the REAL ID plan:

_The traditional driver's license photograph would be taken at the beginning of the application instead of the end so that if someone is rejected for failure to prove identity and citizenship, the applicant's photo would be kept on file and checked if that person tried to con the system again.

_The cards will have three layers of security measures but will not contain microchips as some had expected. States will be able to choose from a menu which security measures they will put in their cards.

_After Social Security and immigration status checks become nationwide practice, officials plan to move on to more expansive security checks. State DMV offices would be required to verify birth certificates; check with other states to ensure an applicant doesn't have more than one license; and check with the State Department to verify applicants who use passports to get a driver's license.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: realid; realidact; travel
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321 posted on 01/12/2008 9:03:48 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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Neither did I. Our kids figured out which ever one talked the loudest got heard. Meal time was always a hoot at our home.


322 posted on 01/12/2008 9:06:03 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo

Me and my sister were always off together doing something. Just be home by dark was the golden rule. I don’t know if My brothers gave her a hard time or not. Every now and then they would let us go fishing with them. They always complained that me and my sister talked to much to fish. They said we were always scaring them away. lolol


323 posted on 01/12/2008 9:09:09 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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It had to be really bad for them there.

It was, but more than that, they valued the 'strong silent type'.

They didn't have an Oprah, a Dr. Phil, or any other touchy-feelly influences.

They weren't raised on TV, and a goodly fraction of the movies they saw growing up were silent!

324 posted on 01/12/2008 9:09:59 PM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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When I was growing up, I remember we weren’t allowed to laugh at the table.

OMG...my older brother, one day, got us kids to just laugh and laugh at the dinner table. Dad got so riled up and angry...he said “the next one who says a peep is going without dinner.”

Naturally, my older brother said “peep”.

(I think that caused my younger brother and I to (very quietly) laugh again)

Older brother was very good at being naughty. : )


325 posted on 01/12/2008 9:09:59 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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They’ll probably give it as much air time as they do the Korean conflict.


326 posted on 01/12/2008 9:10:07 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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We had to be home, in the summers, when the street lights came on.


327 posted on 01/12/2008 9:11:20 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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Peter Pan’s first words upon meeting Wendy...


328 posted on 01/12/2008 9:11:30 PM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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likely...and then the story will be changed as to how and why it all came about.


329 posted on 01/12/2008 9:11:56 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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I agree with your entire post. It sounds just like him when it came to the wars.


330 posted on 01/12/2008 9:12:08 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo

When we were kids we had to be quiet at the table and it was horrible. Our kids always loved suppers because it was anything but quiet. He and momma had their way and we had ours. Ours was more fun. lol


331 posted on 01/12/2008 9:14:40 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: nicmarlo

That sounds like a milk through the nose moment.


332 posted on 01/12/2008 9:15:01 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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What a wonderful time my childhood was. :)Outside playing. We never stayed in the house, ever. Too many things to do outside.


333 posted on 01/12/2008 9:16:33 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: FReepapalooza

My older brother was good at doing that....he was something else.


334 posted on 01/12/2008 9:17:22 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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What were his first words? I don’t remember. Maybe I need to get my little girls dvd and watch it. :)


335 posted on 01/12/2008 9:17:35 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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We were never inside, either. My mom was always calling for us to come into eat....for lunch or dinner. We were just too busy having fun to remember to eat.


336 posted on 01/12/2008 9:18:08 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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I was always the one being naughty. Got my share of whippings with a belt. ouch!!!


337 posted on 01/12/2008 9:19:39 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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I’m thinking they will come up with some biological crisis where as you’ll have to be chipped as part of a quarantine manuever, the rest will be history.


338 posted on 01/12/2008 9:20:38 PM PST by FReepapalooza
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I never got the belt, but my brothers did. My dad wasn’t “equal opportunity”. Naturally, they complained about it.

All my dad had to do was give me the evil eye...

But, mostly, I was too chicken to be naughty (unless my older brother “made me” lol).


339 posted on 01/12/2008 9:21:51 PM PST by nicmarlo (I hereby declare my support for Duncan Hunter. 1/10/08; late to the party, but I have arrived!)
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Please do. I’m franticly looking for a script...


340 posted on 01/12/2008 9:22:03 PM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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