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To: wita; Coleus; Cicero
In fact I reject the idea that abortion itself is murder. That idea alone is what pro-choice folks fear most about pro-lifers and what perpetuates the abortion debate when it should have been resolved years ago.

So, you are pro-death. The fact that abortion is murder is the crux of the debate between the pro-life and the pro-death groups.

30 posted on 01/11/2008 6:46:24 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So, you are pro-death. Absolutely it happens to all of us, but that wasn’t your issue was it.

Yes, but only in the context that you are also by your willingness to prolong the debate. It isn’t about murder, and until that faulty idea ceases to be an issue, you and I will continue to witness the million or so abortions a month, and be at odds with one another. I really don’t want to start a debate on the scriptural basis for the ideas being espoused.

You do not really believe that the nurturing sex is capable of committing more murder than all the murderers throughout history, have committed, do you? Nor do you believe that the court system is able to handle the case load if such were allowed to be added to the law of the land, do you? Much less the need for additional prisons to house the guilty.

Some legacy. You really want to open the murder box? How about we just line up all the aborters, abortionists, and like minded folks and just shoot them. Something akin to that has already been tried by a few radicals. Really went over big. If I’m not mistaken, that is what helped get us some very strict rules about access to abortion mills.

Radical pro-lifers and their hangers on with comments like, so you are pro-death, are what is holding up the wheels of progress. Lets try some logic. As you label abortion murder, are you then part of the problem and an accessory to murder, by your unbending attitude that IMHO, prolongs the debate?

Pro-choicers see this murder accusation, and it makes them crazy, not only crazy but hard over in the other direction. On this issue, I believe there is common ground, but with unbending ideas and principles, based on faulty assumptions, that ground will never be found, and the abortions will continue, unabated.

This is really a case of the liberal left being influenced in the extreme negative, by so called Christians, wanting to do none other than what they so self righteously proclaim they are not doing, forcing their ideas down the throats of the rest of the world. Nowhere was this more evident than here in SD during the contentious abortion ban vote of a couple of years ago. I voted for the ban.

If you cannot see that I am pro-life in this debate then that is your problem. Abortion is a heinous activity, and could cause an angry God to make life difficult for all of us, it is not a crime against the law of the land, and isn’t likely to become such, but you wish to make it so, and not just a crime, but a capital crime.

That attitude I believe is what causes the two sides to be at extreme odds with each other. Such that the pro-choice advocates will, just like you, never abandon their so called principles wrong as they may be, as long as they perceive that the debate hinges on them losing that all important right, granted by the Supreme Court of the land.

Yes, I know that rights can only be granted by God above, but that didn’t seem to stop the Supreme Court, or cause there to be less joy in the abortion camp.

I am wearing three layers of flame proof clothing, sitting in a room filled with water balloons protected by a pressurized sprinkler system in a building with electronic fire protection, next door to the award winning fire department with the engines running, and the hoses already connected to the pressurized hydrant with unlimited water available, and I’ll bet that won’t be enough. and I’m pro-life, so just put yourself in the shoes of pro-choice folks and you may begin to understand where they are coming from. Which after all is one of my objectives.

I eliminated about three paragraphs of stuff that could be seen as a personal attack, or accusations, or character assassination, to try and keep things at the debate level, I probably failed. I don’t know you except to know you are passionately pro-life. I am as well with a somewhat different perspective, as I feel the present debate is based a great deal on faulty assumptions and dubious scriptural interpretation.

I really tried to keep this non personal, where I failed, I’m sure I will hear about it. You should see what I eliminated. I know the feelings from both sides of the issue are strong, vocal, and contentious, having witnessed it first hand. If this is too long, or too repetitive, I can be guilty if need be.


44 posted on 01/12/2008 5:49:32 AM PST by wita (truthspeaks@freerepublic.com)
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