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Ongoing Tornado Outbreak in SE US!
AccuWeather ^ | Thursday January 10, 2008 | Milwaukee_Guy

Posted on 01/10/2008 3:27:51 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy

Dangerous thunderstorms and tornadoes will continue into tonight across the South. The same system will spark an outbreak of strong storms along the mid-Atlantic coast Friday.

The South Regional News reports increasingly strong storms are erupting from southeastern Louisiana to central Kentucky and will shift eastward later tonight, reaching from the Virginia Panhandle to the Florida Panhandle.

(Excerpt) Read more at accuweather.com ...


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To: Myrddin

It’s all because of ‘Global Warming’, what’s the matter, don’t you listen to Al Gore?? We’re all gonna die!


61 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:31 PM PST by rigor mortis
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To: Tennessee Nana

No. Far South of there. Halfway between Auburn and Montgomery.


62 posted on 01/10/2008 5:02:55 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: LadyPilgrim

Glad to here it passed over you.

Even with all the cells, the actual area of severe wind and hail is usually rather limited.

The big problem is that you can never tell exactly where the worst of it is, at any given moment.


63 posted on 01/10/2008 5:22:48 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy
MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0053 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0629 PM CST THU JAN 10 2008 AREAS AFFECTED...NRN GA...ERN TN...FAR WRN NC...SERN KY...FAR WRN VA CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...WATCH UNLIKELY VALID 110029Z - 110130Z ISOLATED WIND DAMAGE WILL CONTINUE TO BE POSSIBLE AS A LINE OF THUNDERSTORMS MOVES EWD ACROSS THE SRN APPALACHIAN MTNS EARLY THIS EVENING. THE SEVERE THREAT SHOULD CONTINUE FOR A FEW MORE HOURS BEFORE GRADUALLY WEAKENING. THE LINE OF STORMS IS CURRENTLY ORIENTED FROM SSW TO NNE ALONG THE ERN EDGE OF THE LOW-LEVEL MOIST AXIS WITH SFC DEWPOINTS IN THE UPPER 50S AND LOWER 60S F. THE LINE IS BEING SUPPORTED BY STRONG LARGE-SCALE ASCENT IN SOUTHWEST FLOW AND THE RUC CURRENTLY INDICATES A VORTICITY MAX IS MOVING NEWD ACROSS NCNTRL AL. AS THIS FEATURE APPROACHES...LIFT MAY BECOME ENHANCED WHICH WOULD HELP SUSTAIN THE LINE EWD ACROSS THE SRN APPALACHIAN MTNS. IN ADDITION...A 70 TO 80 KT JET NEAR 700 MB IS LOCATED ACROSS MIDDLE TN. THIS FEATURE WILL HELP FLOW TO INCREASE OVER THE NEXT FEW HOURS ACROSS THE SRN APPALACHIANS AND THIS MAY SUSTAIN THE WIND DAMAGE POTENTIAL WITH THE GREATEST POTENTIAL IN NRN GA. THE SEVERE THREAT SHOULD DECREASE LATER THIS EVENING AS THE LINE MOVES INTO WEAKER INSTABILITY AND THE THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY BECOMES ELEVATED. ..BROYLES.. 01/11/2008
64 posted on 01/10/2008 5:28:17 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

2035 HAZEL DELL CLARK WA 4568 12265 TREE DAMAGE. POWER LINES DOWN AND TRANSFORMER BLOWN IN HAZEL DELL. POWER FOR ABOUT 2500 CUSTOMERS IN THE AREA IS OUT. (PQR)

2044 7 W VERNON LAMAR AL 3376 8824 TWO HOMES DESTROYED ON COUNTY LAKE ROAD. TWO MORE STRUCTURES DESTROYED ON WILLIE GREER ROAD NORTH OF HWY 18. (BMX)

2044 SULLIGENT LAMAR AL 3389 8813 TWO HOMES DESTROYED ON COUNTY LAKE ROAD. (BMX)

2045 HOCKINSON CLARK WA 4573 12248 TORNADO SPOTTED SOUTH OF HOCKINSON HIGH SCHOOL AND JUST WEST OF 172ND AVENUE (PQR)

2221 10 E SAMANTHA TUSCALOOSA AL 3341 8740 TORNADO REPORTED ON THE GROUND IN THE WILEY COMMUNITY. DAMAGE TO CHURCH IN WILEY. (BMX)


65 posted on 01/10/2008 5:30:15 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: All

BTW,

Oregon had a freak tornado today also and a Magnitude 6.4 occured a few minutes ago not far off the Oregon coast.

Also a 6.2 mag earthquake hit the Queen Charlotte Island region of Canada earlier today.

Magnitude Mw 6.4
Region OFF COAST OF OREGON

Date time 2008-01-10 at 01:37:20.6 UTC
Location 43.88 N ; 127.16 W
Depth 2 km
Distances 325 km W Eugene (pop 145,208 ; local time 17:37 2008-01-09)
242 km W Coos bay (pop 15,394 ; local time 17:37 2008-01-09)
237 km W Bandon (pop 2,830 ; local time 17:37 2008-01-09)


66 posted on 01/10/2008 5:36:33 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: All
FWIW, many hard news threads are getting pulled off of Breaking News lately.

This thread got moved to who knows where after only five minutes and the thread about the Florida I-4 pileup yesterday got moved to Chat.

We may need to look at another newsgroup for hard news unless things change soon on FR.

67 posted on 01/10/2008 5:39:52 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

BUMP

Thanks for keeping this thread going.


68 posted on 01/10/2008 5:47:09 PM PST by Palladin (Romney: "I was for abortion before I was against abortion.")
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To: Palladin

You are welcome!


69 posted on 01/10/2008 5:49:30 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: RightWhale

Lots of rain at the end of Dec so ‘07 missed being the driest ever.


70 posted on 01/10/2008 5:50:33 PM PST by georgia peach (georgia peach)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Some light reading,

Closet, Car, or Ditch?
The Mobile Home Dilemma During a Tornado
by: Thomas W. Schmidlin, Department of Geography, Kent State University


Understanding Tornado Fatalities

A tornado is a deadly phenomenon that strikes with little warning and can destroy a building in a matter of seconds. Thus, knowledge of the attributes of persons killed by tornadoes, their behavior when the storm threatened, and the circumstances of their death are useful in evaluating hazard preparedness, safety rules, and warning methods. This information identifies high-risk groups, high-risk situations, and high-risk behaviors and can be used to improve preparedness and warning programs and reduce tornado-related deaths.

Our research during the past five years has focused on risk factors for death due to tornadoes in the United States. My colleagues, Paul King, Barbara Hammer, and Yuichi Ono, and I have asked the question, “Why do some people die in tornadoes while others survive?” To find answers, we travel to the site of a tornado disaster about one week after the event in order to complete a detailed study of each fatality and of survivors who were in the path of the tornado. This research has been funded by Quick Response grants made available by the Natural Hazards Research and Applications Information Center (see the Observer, Vol. XXII, No. 1, p. 5).

Our survey quantifies demographic data and information related to method of warning, access to warning, time of awareness of the impending tornado, exact location when the storm struck, degree of destruction at the site, and so on. Survivors are interviewed in person. Surveys are completed for fatalities through interviews with relatives, supplemented by neighbors, coroners, and funeral home directors. The survey responses for those who died are then compared to responses from those who survived, in order to identify differences between the two groups.

Data have been collected for the Georgia and Alabama tornadoes of March 27, 1994, and the Arkansas tornadoes of March 1, 1997. Surveys were completed for 45 fatalities and 104 survivors. In both cases, several tornadoes struck across rural areas of a southern state on a weekend afternoon with 10 to 30 minutes warning time from the National Weather Service (NWS).

What We Learned

Results from the Georgia and Alabama tornadoes (Disasters 19 (1995): 170-177) showed risk factors for death to include advanced age, location in a mobile home, location in a room above ground with windows, not watching television in the hour before the tornado hit, and being aware of the approaching tornado for less than one minute. Results from the Arkansas tornadoes (available from the Natural Hazards Center as Quick Response Report #98, see the article in this Observer) also showed risk factors for death to be location in a mobile home and in a room above ground with windows. In contrast to the earlier study, there was no difference in age between fatalities and survivors, although being divorced appeared as a risk factor, possibly due to the isolation and reduced income of divorced persons.

These results generally reinforce previous assumptions that were developed from studies of tornadoes and other hazards:

The supreme importance of protection by a building in preventing deaths was evident. Mobile homes and outer rooms of frame homes do not offer that protection. In spite of long warning lead times, most people—fatalities as well as survivors—first became aware of the approaching tornado only when they saw or heard it, allowing little time to reach shelter. In addition, television was used to obtain weather information much more than radio. None of the persons we interviewed used NOAA weather radio on the day of the tornadoes.

Additional research of this type will provide a composite of tornado risk factors over a variety of geographic, demographic, and cultural settings—the foundation of a stable and reliable database from which general conclusions may be drawn.

Are Cars Safer than Mobile Homes?

While conducting the first study in Georgia and Alabama in 1994, we were surprised by the common occurrence of cars or pickup trucks that remained upright with little damage near mobile homes that were destroyed and the mobile home occupants killed. After careful thought, it did not seem so surprising. After all, a modern car has a low center of gravity, a streamlined form, a protective interior, and is designed to encounter strong winds and protect occupants in case of a roll-over and other crashes. Our preliminary estimates showed that a door-handle-height wind speed of about 120 mph is required to tip a car, compared to perhaps 80 mph to tip a mobile home.

Rural mobile home residents have few options when a tornado threatens. Underground shelters are rare and a sturdy building for shelter is usually some miles away. In those desperate situations when sturdy shelter is not within running distance from a mobile home, both the NWS and the American Red Cross recommend that mobile home residents leave the mobile home and “lie flat in a ditch or low-lying area” when a tornado warning is issued.

Mobile home residents recognize the legendary vulnerability of their dwellings in wind storms. However, when the tornado siren starts blowing or the Weather Channel screen turns red, few are willing to gather the family and leave their mobile home to run outside into a severe thunderstorm with heavy rain, lightning, hail, and flying debris to lie down in a water-filled ditch to await a tornado. They tell us such actions are counterintuitive.

Following our field observations in 1994, a reasonable option for those in mobile homes without nearby shelter seemed to be to drive to one. Our public statements in 1994 that rural mobile home residents with no nearby shelter may be safer getting into their vehicles and driving to a shelter when a tornado threatens, rather than running outside to lie down in the storm, drew widespread media attention, many comments of agreement, and strong comments to the contrary by a few people in the NWS.

In light of NWS and Red Cross recommendations that mobile home residents and vehicle occupants exit and lie down outdoors when a tornado threatens, we sought previous studies on the relative safety of being in a vehicle compared to being outdoors that supported those recommendations. As we reported in a commentary last year (Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society 77: 963-964), no studies have been found to support those recommendations.

Tornado Strength and Vehicle Safety

Following our surprising observations after the 1994 tornadoes, we embarked on a systematic survey of the effects of tornadoes on cars and pick-ups. We collected data on vehicles parked outdoors at homes with F1, F2, or F3 tornado damage following the Louisville tornado in May 1996, the Arkansas tornadoes in March 1997, and the Texas tornadoes in May 1997.

Not surprisingly, this sample of 180 vehicles showed that the percentage of cars moved or tipped tended to increase with increased home damage (and inferred wind speed). Surprisingly, at homes with F3 damage (158- 206 mph), fewer than half (46%) of cars were moved by the wind, only 15% were tipped over by the wind, and 39% of the vehicles were damaged sufficiently to cause serious injury to potential occupants. These results are now under review for publication.

Where does that leave us with respect to surviving tornadoes? We will continue postdisaster research of deadly tornadoes to determine general principles of high-risk behaviors and identify high-risk groups. It is clear that the 73 mph or less wind speeds of F0 tornadoes, the weakest of weak tornadoes, pose little threat to human life. It is also clear that the rare violent tornadoes (F4 and F5) with maximum wind speeds over 206 mph will destroy well-built homes and toss vehicles. The only reasonable protection in these extreme cases is an underground shelter, but only 3% of tornadoes have these wind speeds.

It is in the middle range of F1, F2, and F3 wind speeds that most tornadoes occur. Underground shelter is always safest, but the interior rooms of well-built homes or offices provide life-saving shelter in most cases. At the same time, mobile homes clearly remain a high-risk location in this range. For nearly half of the Americans who die from tornadoes, the last view they have of this world is the disintegrating interior of their mobile home. Only one-third of the 15 million mobile home residents in the U.S. live in a mobile home park, and some of these do not have sturdy shelters for all residents. The other 10 million live on private rural land,

and many of these people will not have a sturdy shelter within running distance when the tornado warning is issued. Mobile home occupancy is predicted to increase for the foreseeable future, and millions of Americans are on the road in their cars and trucks during the late afternoon when tornadoes are most likely to occur.

Conclusions

The hazards community has an opportunity to find reasonable, affordable, and practical means of reducing the risk of death to mobile home residents due to tornadoes. We must also strive to provide safety recommendations for mobile home residents and vehicle occupants that are based on modern research.


Thomas W. Schmidlin, Department of Geography, Kent State University


71 posted on 01/10/2008 5:52:05 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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Severe Thunderstorm Warnings valid as of 7:54 CST. No Tornado Warnings are currently in effect. Stay tuned to local TV/Radio/NOAA WX Radio for updates...
72 posted on 01/10/2008 5:58:45 PM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Here was Missouri’s outbreak 7th and 8th of January. We had the first tornado of the year I think.

Springfield MO and area had tornado sirens going off almost non stop from about 5:00 pm to 10:00 pm. Tornado maps
http://www.crh.noaa.gov/sgf/?n=010808_tornadoes

I didn’t bother starting a thread on FR as everyone bitches “It’s not breaking news, who cares.”

Been there, done that.


73 posted on 01/10/2008 6:07:23 PM PST by listenhillary (A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you have.)
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To: listenhillary

Hey bro. I was watching that cell down near southern Boone as it was approaching the Mo river. That looked like a tornado on radar. By the map you posted, it was a little bit west of where I saw it.


74 posted on 01/10/2008 6:24:32 PM PST by Big Giant Head (I should change my tagline to "Big Giant penguin on my Head")
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To: WashingtonSource

I don’t know if I have heard it called the Virginia panhandle before, but they must mean the extreme western part of the state, south of West Virginia. I don’t know how far east it would go, maybe as far as Interstate 77, maybe as far as Radford or Blacksburg, the westernmost 12 to 17 counties, depending on where you draw the line.


75 posted on 01/10/2008 6:41:16 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

Actually the Oregon off the Coast was Wends at 5:30ish pm...I believe you are seeing the UTC time.

Queen Charlotte Is has been his with quite a few large quakes over the past week. Three of them 6.1, 6.4 and 6.6

Here is the link scroll all the way down the big ones are in red.

Latest Earthquakes in the World - Past 7 days
Address:http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/Quakes/quakes_all.php Changed:6:32 PM on Thursday, January 10, 2008


76 posted on 01/10/2008 6:49:56 PM PST by Global2010 ( Happy New Year Ya'll)
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To: Verginius Rufus

Not trying to ‘second guess’ anyone, but they are more than likely referring to the WEST Virginia panhandle, the slither of WV Wheeling N to PA along the Ohio River


77 posted on 01/10/2008 6:52:59 PM PST by xrmusn
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

We maybe need to update our ping list.

We have had Earth happening ping lists for weather/volcano/earthquakes in the past.

A master ping list for all the above would be a good thing. JMO


78 posted on 01/10/2008 6:55:33 PM PST by Global2010 ( Happy New Year Ya'll)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

We maybe need to update our ping list.

We have had Earth happening ping lists for weather/volcano/earthquakes in the past.

A master ping list for all the above would be a good thing. JMO


79 posted on 01/10/2008 6:56:29 PM PST by Global2010 ( Happy New Year Ya'll)
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

hey, there was an F1 tornado in Oregon/SW Washington today. We out here on the left coast never get any press. :-(


80 posted on 01/10/2008 6:57:31 PM PST by petconservative (4 more years (ilovemybush))
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