Posted on 01/09/2008 5:17:20 PM PST by Jim Robinson
I think you have addressed 1 out of 6 times that this article alleges that Fred Thompson took a pro-illegal-alien and/or pro-amnesty position.
My point is not to slam Fred Thompson (unlike so much slamming of someone(s) else, going on in FR). My point is to say they have all had to go to school on this critical matter. (And Huckabee’s plan is tougher than Thompson’s.)
Immigration link, corrected below (inadvertently you provided a link to post to me):
http://www.mikehuckabee.com/?FuseAction=Issues.View&Issue_id=4
That, in my mind, is the imperative.
To a man,( ok, a woman too ) they would withdraw our troops within a year regardless of the circumstances. Every potential republican president will excercise much more prudence than that.
And we mustn't forget, given the Harriet Myers model, that conservatives can influence a president when he gets wobbly. We just need to concert our efforts, unify, and pick the best horse in this particular race.
Definitely scratch Rudy.
I'm a Hunter guy myself, but I've got to say, Ron Paul is perfect on all these issues, is he not? (Please correct me if I'm wrong- I'm not a Ron Paul platform expert.)
The deal killer with Paul is his naive undertanding of Islam- but as far as domestic policy goes, I like him, and I have for years in fact.
Interesting. Last week it was called the "Giuliani/Huckabee ticket" and the talking point here was the evil Mike Huckabee has a backroom deal to be "Rudy's running mate" on a "Baby killer/Nanny stater" platform. This week you guys have reversed yourselves and declared Huckabee is actually in kahoots with McCain for a "McCain/Huckabee" amnesty express. Which is it? If Romney is surging next will, will Huck have signed a backroom deal to be his "running mate" too?
At least this latest anti-Huckabee attack is not as funny as freepers ranting and raving that Huckabee was a "compassionate conservative Bush clone who will govern exactly the way Bush does" one week and then screaming that Huckabee was a "Democrat taking pot shots at our President and trying to undermine his agenda" the next week.
Are the anti-Hucksters taking lessons from Romney on how to completely flip-flop your positions, or what?
I suppose next week we'll be hearing Huckabee isn't religious enough.
Oh man! 23% would vote R regardless?!? What a sad collection of lemmings!
A politician being spiteful is one significant problem.
A politician being fuzzy-headed on tax and welfare issues is another significant problem.
A politician breaking a sacred commitment to his constituency about such things as the appointment of justices is of the most critical importance.
Has Huckabee ever violated any such commitment as Governor?
Philosophically, I have much less issue with sales taxes especially at the state level then income taxes which should still be unconstitutional.
I don’t think Rudy is a flip-flopper, At most he’s tried to put the best spin on his unpopular stances.
I think Romney’s record as governor on open-borders/immigration was good. If Tancredo says he he’s OK on that, I wouldn’t argue with Tom. I think Romney gets an XX on flip-flopper and a W on everything else.
I believe that Duncan Hunter has earned a reputation as a big pork-barrel spender, who has also supported Bush nanny state bills, such as no-child-left-behind and medicare-prescription-drugs.
Fred Thompson is the President we need. But it seems that Mike Huckabee as taken 2/3 of his natural constituency. I wish I knew what to do about that.
Yup. There you go. Commonsense.
I think “spinning” is a part of the game, and ALL are guilty to some extent.
I was addressing your bullet point that incorrectly stated that Thompson had voted for amnesty. To address the other points at your link: it was agreed in committee that legal and illegal immigration would be handled separately, so Thompson voted against chain migration questions being bundled into the 1996 illegal immigration enforcement bill. The bullet point related to high tech workers is also an issue of *legal* immigration.
As for the other two:
Thompson specifically voted against applying civil forfeiture measures to employers. Civil forfeiture “permits” the government to seize people’s property without having to even charge them with anything, and then the property owner has to prove in court that he/she is innocent. This practice is a blight on presumption of innocence, the fourth and fifth amendments, and our Constitution as a whole. However, in the same bill Thompson did vote in favor of the hundreds of additional invesigators being added to the Labor Dept. in order to crack down on employers of illegal immigrants.
In committee, he also voted against a system that would have forced every American (not just immigrants) to get the federal government’s permission before we could work. The voluntary pilot program was just a component/precursor to the overall system.
In short, in that 1996 bill Thompson voted to make it much easier to deport illegals, increase Labor Department resources for cracking down on employers, and *for* the fence. The question was not *whether* we should enforce the laws against illegal immigration, but *how* to do so effectively without unintentionally increasing federal government intrusion into the lives of American citizens.
I have little ability to actually "listen" to what he's saying. I can only read, as I am able, what he states, or what others say about him. I have no television to watch the news and have not for about 1 1/2 years.
I am not from Arkansas, so I don't have any personal history or dealings or concerns with the affairs of Arkansas. I get my information from others who do, or from media sources online (obviously not the MSM, unless it's posted in FR, for reasons previously stated).
So, I sort through what I'm reading about his past v. what he's saying today. His past actions and present claims about future positions don't always seem to comport...so, it comes down more to listening to those who have better (or more accurate/up to date/personal) information than I concerning Huckabee.
On the other hand, as I understand it, Huckabee actively lobbied to bring a Mexican consulate to Arkansas — a consulate that is instrumental in providing documentation that helps illegals evade/bypass our laws.
How is he going to win SC if everyone says “I’ll wait until he wins before sending him money.”?
Yeah, and some just need a little more spinning than your average conservative candidate. You might say some are ALL spun.
Huckabee's positives on taxes:
* Pushed through a Democrat legislature the first, major broad based tax cuts in the state's history.
* Pushed through a Democrat legislature an $80 million tax cut package.
* Cut the state's capital gains tax by 25%.
* Established a Property Taxpayers' Bill of Rights
* Limited the increase in property taxes to 10% a year for individuals and 5% per taxing unit
* Eliminated the income tax for families below the poverty line.
* Increased the standard deductions.
* Eliminated the marriage penalty.
* Eliminated bracket creep by indexing the income taxes to inflation, thereby preventing taxpayers from moving into a higher bracket when their paychecks increase due to inflations.
* Doubled the child care tax credit.
* Eliminated capital gains tax on the sale of a home.
Hunter first, then Thompson here. I could vote for either of them, but prefer Hunter. If the media would give them equal time with the liberals in the race, they’d be way out ahead, imho.
And he has let stand, his commitments to the Minute Man founder, on all matters but the allegation of actually pushing for a no-anchor-baby amendment (citing focus on Human Life and Marriage amendments).
And that includes his pledge to immediately free Compean and Ramos.
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