Posted on 01/09/2008 6:10:58 AM PST by dangus
As surely as Al Gore didn't win the presidential election in 2000, Hillary Clinton didn't win the New Hampshire primary in 2008. George Bush won the most electoral votes, so he won the 2000 election. And no reporter who has ever mentioned campaigning for specific states or electoral votes can ever pretend that this was somehow unfair. Likewise, Obama won New Hampshire, 12 votes to 11, if CNN's accounting can be relied upon.
Meanwhile, Clinton can take comfort knowing that even though she's lost the battle, she has won the war, already. What happens February 5th won't matter much, because Hillary has started out the "race" with a huge head start: With a goal of 2,025 delegates, Hillary already has a lead of over 100 delegates, or more than 5% of the total.
Frankly, I sort of wish Obama had won the most votes in New Hampshire, helping him win the most votes on February 5th. I'd've loved to hear the Democrats explain to all those voters that their actual votes don't matter; the party had already made their choice before the first primary, and it was Hillary.
But then I realize that most black "leaders" in America are merely Uncle Toms for the modern welfare-state plantation; they'd never dare mention how the Democrats are still disenfranchising them as surely as they did when they were wearing white robes.
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That is so random and funny I damn near spit out my coffee...you had to have that ready and in reserve waiting for the right moment to use.
“Bunny with a pancake on its head” is just like “cowbell”...I need more of it.
So why have a vote at all?
• There are currently 4,049 total delegates to the Democratic National Convention, including 3,253 pledged delegates and 796 superdelegates. The total number of delegate votes needed to win the nomination is 2,025.
• Superdelegates in the Democratic Party are typically members of the Democratic National Committee, elected officials like senators or governors, or party leaders. They do not have to indicate a candidate preference and do not have to compete for their position. If a superdelegate dies or is unable to participate at the convention, alternates do not replace that delegate, which would reduce the total delegates number and the “magic number” needed to clinch the nomination.
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Also see this link-
Obama won 9 delegates and also has 3 superdelagates for a total of 12 ... vs ClinTOON’s 11
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/candidates/#1918
Thanx
That makes 22 delegates. Check anywhere (such as the Green Papers) and you’ll find that New Hampshire has 27 delegates, not 22. Under convention rules, elected officials’ votes are counted as well as voter-selected delegates. And Obama won these 3 out of 5 of these.
For some strange reason I find this extremely hilarious. I cant stop laughing.
You’ve been on FR since 1999, and that’s the first you’ve seen the pancake-headed bunny? Are you series? Is that Bush’s fault?
I’m confused.
There have been 2 primaries so far. By scrolling down and combining the total of Iowa and NH, Obama has 30 Delegates and Hillary 28.
So whats up with the super high numbers on the left hand side of the screen? (Hillary at 183 delegates?)
Boohoo... get ready for a new fake tears display.
1. Keeping up appearances.
2. The primaries serve as taxpayer-funded straw polls, helping advise the superdelegates as to who is electable.
3. To test out the campaign skills of the candidates.
4. Let’s not forget that although the superdelegates have plenty of votes to throw any contested election either way, (40% of the votes needed to win a nomination), the elected delegates still make up the majority of the actual delegates.
N.Y. Senator Hillary Clinton has apparently won the NEW HAMPSHIRE Democratic Primary over Ill. Senator Barack Obama; former N.C. Senator John Edwards is well back in 3d place but still well ahead of any other Democratic presidential contender: Edwards remains above the threshold necessary to receive a share of delegates from the Granite State.22 of 30 delegates to the Democratic National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders based on the results of the voting in today's New Hampshire Presidential Primary: 14 district delegates are to be allocated proportionally to presidential contenders based on the primary results in each of the State's 2 congressional districts (7 from each CD); 8 delegates are to be allocated to presidential contenders based on the primary vote statewide. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the congressional district or statewide level.
Well, well! Looks as if Hunter is tied with the “only one who can beat Hillery” Rudy911.
Right now, a significant minority of superdelegates has publicly announced their support. IrishMike explained it well:
“• There are currently 4,049 total delegates to the Democratic National Convention, including 3,253 pledged delegates and 796 superdelegates. The total number of delegate votes needed to win the nomination is 2,025.
“• Superdelegates in the Democratic Party are typically members of the Democratic National Committee, elected officials like senators or governors, or party leaders. They do not have to indicate a candidate preference and do not have to compete for their position. If a superdelegate dies or is unable to participate at the convention, alternates do not replace that delegate, which would reduce the total delegates number and the “magic number” needed to clinch the nomination.”
The delegates selected to the Democratic convention by party officials are called Super Delegates.
This system started after McGovern won the primary elections and lost the 1972 election big time. 1972 was a Richard Nixon blow out landslide that nearly equaled FDRs 1936 win.In 1936 FDR got 60.8 percent of the vote for the biggest win of the 20th century. Nixon won 60.7 percent of the votes in 1972.
By the way the 1972 polls did not show the Nixon blow out. At one point they had McGovern winning.
The Democratic party decided that leaving it all up to the voters was not a good way to win elections.. So they only let the voters select 80 percent of the delegates to their convention and let the party officials select the remaining 20 percent. Thus a Democratic candidate can win a close primary election and still not get a majority of that states delegates to the Democratic convention.
Democratic Bosses felt that had the Party Officials have controlled 20 percent of the delegates at the 1972 convention they could have prevented the Democratic voters from nominating McGovern!
Republicans do not have super delegates. If a Republican candidate wins a states primary he gets the majority of that states convention delegates. In the Republican party the party leaders can not over rule the voters.
It is possible for a Republican to come in second in every primary race and yet win enough delegates to win the nomination on the first ballot. All it takes is the state elections be close and different candidates to come in first while the same candidate always comes in second.
Thank you. I didn’t realize the daa daa duuumm SUPER delegates were part of the process. Now it makes perfect sense.
Politburo politics at its worst.
Obama's last hurrah will be in SC, where about half of the Dem voters are black. He has a shot to win. After that, it is all downhill.
Those rules confuse the picture even further. I wonder which of the “unpledged PLEOs” are included?
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