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MSNBC: Clinton Beats Obama in N.H. Democrat Primary (Fox also calls it for Clinton-Obama Concedes)
Jan. 8, 2008

Posted on 01/08/2008 7:32:20 PM PST by Aristotelian

In a stunning upset victory, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton beat Sen. Barack Obama in Tuesday's Democratic presidential primary election in New Hampshire.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: New Hampshire
KEYWORDS: hillary; missinglink; nh2008; obama
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Ruh-roh....Hussein Obama needed to deliver the coupe de grace when he had Madam Clinton on the ropes. I imagine a wounded but resurgent Hillary will be quite dangerous in a number of ways.
101 posted on 01/08/2008 8:04:44 PM PST by clintonh8r
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To: fideist

It was the Bradley effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect


102 posted on 01/08/2008 8:04:52 PM PST by devere
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To: Pinkbell

LOL


103 posted on 01/08/2008 8:05:14 PM PST by Poetgal26 (God bless the US Military and our allies!)
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To: Aristotelian

Live: Hillary victory speech:

http://www.wmur.com/video/15004171/index.html


104 posted on 01/08/2008 8:05:21 PM PST by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Sadly , I agree with you . The end is near folks.Be ready for The Great American Socialism Experiment


105 posted on 01/08/2008 8:05:46 PM PST by sonic109
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To: fideist

This means that Democraps are racists.


106 posted on 01/08/2008 8:05:59 PM PST by Mitt Romney (Romney 2008)
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To: ichabod1

“Just goes to show how totally full of sh~!t the pollsters are these days. I don’t think you can even call it legitimate statistics anymore ~ they’re anything they want to be.”

The pollsters are helpless if the voters lie to them. It’s called the Bradley effect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect


107 posted on 01/08/2008 8:07:08 PM PST by devere
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To: indylindy

True , true and true again. They are VERY dangerous and don’t ever forget that .


108 posted on 01/08/2008 8:07:15 PM PST by sonic109
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To: Ron in Acreage; nwrep; Zuben Elgenubi; philsfan24; Old Sarge; Revolting cat!; tips up; ...
As much as I loath the Clintons and am ready to believe them capable of anything there is a less conspiracy minded explanation for this result.

All the pre election talk was of an Obama blow out and the Republicans deadlocked.

So it looks that a lot of the Independents, who can vote in either primary, said "Well heck, my vote will not count in the Dems election so I will go vote for my boy John McCain."

That would explain this massive last second swing away from Obama and towards McCain. It would also explain why Hillary is won if a bunch of Obama leaning independents went over to McCain based on the assumption that "Obama will win anyway, my vote will count over here"

All the rest of the vote results are coming out right in line with the pre election polls. Huck at 12, Rudy and Paul duking it out for 4th at 9% and Fred at 1. Edwards 17, Richardson 5, Kucinich 2.

It only at the top of the ticket, on both sides Dem and Republican that the results are wrong. Obama lost to Hillary, McCain did much better then predicted

109 posted on 01/08/2008 8:07:29 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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To: Poetgal26
I guess the fake tears worked,

I hope she tries it again in the general election.

110 posted on 01/08/2008 8:08:12 PM PST by Mike Darancette (Democrat Happens!)
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To: Antoninus
It's a terrible choice to have to make. On the one hand, Hillary -- especially given her high unlikability ratings -- would appear to be easier to beat in the general election than would Obama. However, were she to win and get into the Oval Office, the country would pay a very high price for her victory. Would it be a higher price than the country would have to pay under Obama? It's hard to say. But I think she'd be worse, because she and her husband are so unethical. Policywise, Hillary and Barack would probably be about the same -- that is, terrible for the country.
111 posted on 01/08/2008 8:08:45 PM PST by Aristotelian ("Don't Tase Me, Bro!")
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To: mylife

It would be Clintoon/Dole ‘96 all over again. God help us.


112 posted on 01/08/2008 8:09:06 PM PST by bushfamfan (DUNCAN HUNTER '08: the only candidate whose record matches his talk.)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

McCain would have destroyed Obama.
Now he will when by 5% over Hillary.
In any event, the presidency is assured.
Now if conservatives in Congress would just get there act together and stay out of bathroom stalls, and pages pockets.


113 posted on 01/08/2008 8:09:14 PM PST by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?" "Because it's judgment that defeats us.")
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To: Aristotelian

I think we will find that this is a prime example of machine politics at it’s worst/best. The Clinton Machine and the Democrat establishment likely brought in the big guns and manufactured this win. I doubt fraud was involved but given the turnout everyone was talking about, the machinery got to work and got all hands on deck to squash this newcomer and let him know who is in charge.


114 posted on 01/08/2008 8:09:43 PM PST by Reaganesque (Charter Member of the Romney FR Resistance)
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To: Aristotelian

There isn’t enough money in the world to get me to watch her victory speech.


115 posted on 01/08/2008 8:09:58 PM PST by TruthShallSetYouFree (Abortion is to family planning what bankruptcy is to financial planning.)
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To: Aristotelian

I don’t believe this for one second. But a a Clinton they can get away with anything. Anything.


116 posted on 01/08/2008 8:10:17 PM PST by Afronaut (Press 2 for English - Thanks Mr. President !)
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To: fideist

117 posted on 01/08/2008 8:10:44 PM PST by Aristotelian ("Don't Tase Me, Bro!")
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
"Turnout affects the polls greatly, high turnout is hard for pollsters to predict races."

True, but most pundits thought a big turnout bode well for Obama.

It turns out the big turnout helped Hillary!

Which suggests fraud of some kind.

118 posted on 01/08/2008 8:11:13 PM PST by magellan
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To: MNJohnnie

I don’t see how any single person could be torn between McCain and Obama. They are miles apart choices. ( both crappy ones though )


119 posted on 01/08/2008 8:11:38 PM PST by sonic109
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To: Young Scholar

That’s a good reminder on that aspect of the caucus - no wonder the white liberals supported Obama there. Bingo!


120 posted on 01/08/2008 8:11:44 PM PST by Reagan79 (Ralph Stanley & The Clinch Mountain Boys)
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