[Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus]

Don’t the evos claim that faith is believing in something that is impossible in defiance of all the evidence. This would certainly qualify. What great faith the evos have.

Actually, that really is true. Self-organisation is a good example of this. It is basically in the idea stage - what little evidence for it is so broad and open to interpretation that it would be foolish to base a claim to problem solving off of it - yet this is exactly what evos do. Grasping at straw, because the straw is painted grey and makes them think it is iron.

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

Actually, that really is true. Self-organisation is a good example of this. It is basically in the idea stage - what little evidence for it is so broad and open to interpretation that it would be foolish to base a claim to problem solving off of it - yet this is exactly what evos do. Grasping at straw, because the straw is painted grey and makes them think it is iron.

Here is your creator!

How do you know for sure it wasn't Him?

[GovernmentIsTheProblem]

I left out the incontrovertible evidence of young earth creationism...

[metmom]

There is all kinds of precedent for order and complexity being a result of intelligence and design.

Somehow, somewhere, this concept came about that order and complexity could exist without intelligence behind it. Even randomness is not evidence of lack of intelligence or design because randomness can also have its source in intelligence, like be programmed into things like computer systems.

Perhaps some evo somewhere could offer a convincing explanation of how this mindset came into being; that is, that order and complexity can exist without intelligence behind it, and that randomness is evidence of naturalistic (read: non-intelligent/random) causes.