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To: DarthVader
Jesus Christ is not your savior but one of the false Christs which Jesus said would come in his name and deceive many.

Unsupported assertion = waste of electrons.

“Not everyone who comes to me who says Lord, Lord shall enter into my kingdom but he that does the will of my Father in heaven.”

Doesn't your scripture quote kind of kill the whole saved by Grace alone thing? "but he that does the will of my Father in heaven" Also, notice, it's not but he who does my will... Hmm

IMHO the whole Bible is a testament of God and Jesus as separate entities who are so one that they are one God. In Genesis, as someone pointed out earlier, man and woman are Joined into one flesh, yet remain separate people. So this is definitely a Biblical concept. Why is it so hard for you to accept that hundreds of years after Jesus came a pagan sun worshiper who tinkered with the Church's teachings for political reasons might have gotten it wrong? Constantine stated that he did not care what out come there was, except that it needed to be more palatable to the Greeks and the Hellenists.

You Mormons have subverted the truth of the original Bible and are in for a rude awakening.

Fine, I'll try this one more time with a section from my home page here.


The trinity became the creed of the Catholic Church at The first council at Nicea:

The Trinity is the doctrine of the Nicene creed so called because it was agreed upon at the First council at Nicea in 325 AD

So about 300 years after Jesus, the Catholic Church is going to meet and decide what form God has if any.

Knowing god's nature is important if you are to worship him? (John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.)

As Mormon I note with interest that he did not say, "And this is life eternal, that they might know me the only true God". Because Jesus is talking about someone besides himself someone who disappears completely in the Nicean creed.

Mormons believe that one of the places that we can most easily see the apostasy happening is the first council at Nicea which was convened to reconcile the Arian controversy So Constantine could use this new "Christian" religion to unify his fractured Roman Empire The Trinity was the creation of a pagan emperor named Constantine, who called the first council at Nicea and with a combination of bribes, and threats got the church to agree on a creed that all of Rome could unite behind. This was his expressed purpose according to records he had kept of the event.

Finally Constantine, having conquered Licinius and become sole emperor, concerned himself with the re-establishment of religious peace as well as of civil order. He addressed letters to St. Alexander and to Arius depreciating these heated controversies regarding questions of no practical importance, and advising the adversaries to agree without delay.
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The Council was opened by Constantine with the greatest solemnity. The emperor waited until all the bishops had taken their seats before making his entry. He was clad in gold and covered with precious stones in the fashion of an Oriental sovereign. A chair of gold had been made ready for him, and when he had taken his place the bishops seated themselves. After he had been addressed in a hurried allocution, the emperor made an address in Latin, expressing his will that religious peace should be re-established.
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The emperor began by making the bishops understand that they had a greater and better business in hand than personal quarrels and interminable recriminations.
Lastly
St. Athanasius assures us that the activities of the Council were nowise hampered by Constantine's presence.
Now let's put all this in the context of the day. Constantine had just finally put down the other military leaders of a fractured empire. In spite of Christianity being illegal, it had grown in popularity (or maybe even because it was illegal) Constantine sends letters to these bishops (who are under a death sentence just for being Christians) and invites them to a conference, moreover, he puts "Public transportation" at their disposal to get to the conference with. (Public transportation means military horses and Chariots, there was no bus)

Now on top of all this he tells them that one of the topics of the conference will be making the Catholic church the sate church of Rome.

Carrot and Stick are now clearly (I hope) visible to all who read this.

The bishops meet and Constantine tells them to come to a consensus on the nature of God (the Arian Controversy) and when they do, he makes them the state church. However, there are a few conditions, he wants a definition of God that everyone can accept, and thus we have the Greek religions influence in to the Nicene Creed.

Mormons believe that this is the single biggest step into apostasy that can be documented as happening at an exact point in time.
This can be seen at this Link

You can jump up and down and say sophomoric chants about how wrong we are, or you can actually do some research, the documents that I quote are linked, and come from the Catholic encyclopedia on line. (It's not a"Mormon" source) thus it's not "Mormon propaganda" this is what the Catholic church says happened back then.

Reality IS align yourself with it, before it aligns you for you.
687 posted on 01/24/2008 9:03:10 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

Read post #682 again. Mormonsim is a cult and heresy plain and simple. There is no amount of apologetics or reasoning that you can do that will tell the true Christian world otherwise. You cannot embrace both the Book Of Mormon and the Bible. You will have to choose one or the other because they are in conflict with each other.


688 posted on 01/24/2008 9:10:07 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: DelphiUser

I’m not a Mormon, but I am shocked that this type of attack on religion is being allowed on FreeRepublic. They wouldn’t allow us to say this type of thing about the Religion of Peace, but they allow serial attacks on Mormonism. It’s embarrassing to think that I am a part of this forum.


689 posted on 01/24/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Eva
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To: DelphiUser

Reread post#681 too and heed what dmw is telling you. It is the truth.


690 posted on 01/24/2008 9:13:33 AM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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