I Said: The first council of Nicea produced a creed known as the Nicene creed. Later the inerrant Catholic church decides to hold a second council to correct what is by definition correct for it is the doctrine of the church (which makes it correct" to a form that will now be called Correct. do you know what this sounds like?
U Said: I am not denying that the First Nicene Council happened, what I am saying is that the Nicene Creed was approved at a different council.
OK, do you deny that a creed came from the First council at Nicea?
The records on new advent.org. This is the creed that was produced in that council:
We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of all things visible and invisible; and
in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten of the Father, that is, of the substance [ek
tes ousias] of the Father, God of God, light of light, true God of true God, begotten not
made, of the same substance with the Father [homoousion to patri], through whom all
things were made both in heaven and on earth; who for us men and our salvation
descended, was incarnate, and was made man, suffered and rose again the third day,
ascended into heaven and cometh to judge the living and the dead. And in the Holy
Ghost. Those who say: There was a time when He was not, and He was not before He
was begotten; and that He was made our of nothing (ex ouk onton); or who maintain
that He is of another hypostasis or another substance [than the Father], or that the
Son of God is created, or mutable, or subject to change, [them] the Catholic Church
anathematizes.
Are you denying that this, the first creed was commonly referred to as the Nicene creed (because they knew there would be another one later?) or was it not in fact referred to as "the Nicean Creed" until the second council replaced it with a new creed.
U Said: I NEVER said that these councils were less than three centuries after Christ's death, I said that Christianity was the dominant religion less than three centuries after the Lord's death. There is a huge difference, Christianity's dominance was not established by any council.
OK, I thought we were talking about the Councils at Nicea and your language was insufficiently clear to convey your meaning to me. I apologize for correcting you.
I Said: Of course it was, the first council of Nicea resulted in the "Roman Catholic church" the state church of Rome was now Christianity!
U Said: There is no such thing as the Roman Catholic Church and there never has been.
Somebody had better tell them
The Roman Catholic church on Wikipedia, I have heard many "Catholics" call themselves "Roman Catholics", and it's not exactly an uncommon phrase, so I think you need to prove that one, good luck.
U Said: There is the Catholic Church, within it the most common rite in the West is the Latin Rite and many adherents are called Roman Catholics, but there is no Roman Catholic Church.
So there are Roman Catholics, but not Roman Catholic church, got it. (chuckle)
U Said: So, unless you want people to start referring to you as an adherent of "Joseph Smithism" you need to get your terms straight.
I have been so referred to on this thread, we are also called Momrons when we prefer LDS. your point is?
U Said: I do note that you completely avoided the question of why, if Christ was in America and preaching to the Indians, His message was not received by them.
They did, the Book of Mormon documents an extremely righteous period lasting over four hundred years, however, the Church here had an apostasy too, so by the time Columbus arrived, there were only remnants of Christianity left.
OK, do you deny that a creed came from the First council at Nicea? No, I am saying that the Nicene Creed which is known to all Christians did not come from this council.
Somebody had better tell them The Roman Catholic church on Wikipedia, I have heard many "Catholics" call themselves "Roman Catholics", and it's not exactly an uncommon phrase, so I think you need to prove that one, good luck.
So, Wikipedia is an expert on religion now?
So there are Roman Catholics, but not Roman Catholic church, got it.
Is there a Mormon church or is it he Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?