[DelphiUser]

For those just stumbling upon this exchange history betwee us, it is important to note that your entire religion is founded upon the claim by Smith (though he retold the tale in more than one way) that he was encountered in a grove of trees by God the father in a body and Jesus in a body (two separet bodies), glowing before him.

Man so many points so small a space, but run-on sentences are like that.

• The religion is founded on Jesus Christ, it's his church Joseph Smith was a prophet of Gad called to restore the church.
• There is much more than "Joseph's word involved here, virtually everyone who joins has a personal experience with God telling them it's true.
• Stories are always told to the audience, for example, I would tell a story differently to children then I would to adults.
• Mormons believe in the Godhead which is in the Bible, not in the Trinity which was created as a creed in 325 AD by a pagan Emperor.

And Mormon painters have depicted this encounter in varying ways, usually as two glowing figures, one of an oldish looking man and the other a younger man, both glowing and suspended in the air before a fourteen year old boy.

• God and Christ are always painted exactly the same for Jesus is in the Express image of God, his father.
• God and Christ are always above Joseph for that is how he always described it.

The Bible teaches that Satan comes as an angel of light,

Taking a little license with the Bible, are we?

Corinthians 11:14

14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

The scriptures are talking about Satan sending forth false apostles to mislead and how he can appear as an angel of light for them to help mislead. Nowhere in the Scriptures does it say that Satan can appear in response to a prayer to God, nowhere does it say that God will not himself respond, instead, we are told: Luke 11:9

9 And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

that Satan himself knows and will relate that Jesus is the Messiah and Savior, and that Jesus is the only way for Salvation. Of course, these from Satan are at different times and in different settings and always given as a means to fool the listener so the listener swallows a dose of lies from the father of lies. [One scripture actually has a demon saying this affirmation to Jesus to plead not to be sent to Hell immediately!]

By putting things together from different places, you can make the Bible say almost anything. I will quote one scripture which I believe you are alluding to here. Luke 8:28

27 And when he went forth to land, there met him out of the city a certain man, which had devils long time, and ware no clothes, neither abode in any house, but in the tombs.
28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, and fell down before him, and with a loud voice said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of God most high? I beseech thee, torment me not.
29 (For he had commanded the unclean spirit to come out of the man. For oftentimes it had caught him: and he was kept bound with chains and in fetters; and he brake the bands, and was driven of the devil into the wilderness.)
30 And Jesus asked him, saying, What is thy name? And he said, Legion: because many devils were entered into him.
31 And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
32 And there was there an herd of many swine feeding on the mountain: and they besought him that he would suffer them to enter into them. And he suffered them.
33 Then went the devils out of the man, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the lake, and were choked.

So you have some devils who have possessed a man and Jesus has come to cast them out, and they plead for him not to cast them into the "Deep" or the pit and he allows them to go into some swine instead. This is so far from answering a prayer and testifying of Jesus that I am truly embarrassed for you to have made this argument. Please show me one scripture that says Satan can answer a prayer in God's stead, just one.

I will show you a scripture that says to pray, and how to know if the answer is of God and I will not need to "Jump around" to do it.

First John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

I have more, but this will do. Lurkers, consider the Misleading nature of MHG's post here He was trying to tell you not to pray about the truth.

I have another scripture form the Book of Mormon: Second Nephi 32:8

8 And now, my beloved brethren, I perceive that ye ponder still in your hearts; and it grieveth me that I must speak concerning this thing. For if ye would hearken unto the Spirit which teacheth a man to pray ye would know that ye must pray; for the evil spirit teacheth not a man to pray, but teacheth him that he must not pray.

I do not ask you to believe me that the Book of Mormon is true. I do not ask you to believe Joseph Smith when he tells you his tale, I ask you to ask of God and see if he will not give you an answer of peace, please, Put our religion to "the test" I testify to you that by the power of the holy spirit of God you can know the truthfulness of all things whether it be my words, or MHGinTN's words, God will never allow Satan to answer a prayer to him, or he would cease to be God for Satan would be more powerful than God and God would not be keeping the promises he made in the Bible, and God always keeps his word.

I further testify to you that I know that Jesus Christ is my savior and that he came to earth suffered and died for my sins, he will not leave me alone for I, unworthy as I am, am loved by him. Jesus loves you too, I plead with you let him into your life, you will not regrets his companionship ever.

[MHGinTN]

"... God will never allow Satan to answer a prayer to him, or he would cease to be God for Satan would be more powerful than God and God would not be keeping the promises he made in the Bible, and God always keeps his word." You're just flat-out wrong. Here's why: if Satan can get God into a position of reacting, Satan will be in charge; you claim to have prayed and gotten an answer which you interpret to be God affirming the book of mormon fabricated by Joe Smith; Satan, in my opinion, was the actual author of the b of m so your 'feeling' was most likely caused by Satanic response.

If Satan can get Mormons to praying for answers to false 'scriptures' then Satan is the one deciding what God will do, by the default position that creates if 'only' God were the one who could answer such a misdirected prayer for enlightenment. When a sorcerer prays to God and gets an answer, is only God able to answer the sorcerer's prayer? HAh! Satan has you believing that!

What if I prayed to God asking him to show me which of two wrong choices I should follow? If I receive a response to that prayer telling me to do one or the other, should I expect that response came from God? That is the specious dilemma you create when you pray to God asking if something that contradicts His Word is true. To be sure, the b of m contains many Bible passages, some even placed in the b of m as the Mesorites mistranslated them to eliminate the prophecies of Jesus as Messiah as best they could.

If the b of m is true then there are passages in it which are not true so you would not expect God to affirm it as true. If there are no true passages in it then you would not expect God to affirm it. If it is wholly true then how can it contain things which contradict the Bible which we both believe is God's Word? And why would you expect God to be the source of affirming something which contains contradictions to His Word? There is no way the B of M is anything but a novel, a poorly written novel at that.

God is not the author of confusion, and the b of m is a source of confusion which can only be rectified in Mormons' minds if they claim the Bible is accurate 'so far as it is accurately translated'. But when one reads the Joe Smith version of the King James Bible, only more fabrications and falsehood surface, so your own peepstone prophet couldn't make a 'more accurate translation' thus he is not only a false prophet, false revelator using divination to fool the people, he is also a servant of the author of confusion.