To: Godzilla
Heres a thought. Since the 60s mormonism has tried to enter the mainline, and alter the perception of the doctrines they taught.
So other churches don't have PR? LOL!
A case in point is the reversal on blacks. Clearly a teaching that echoed Greek and Roman mythology would not go over very well in a 20th century environment. Hence, this teaching is becoming less emphasized. Doesnt change the fact it was taught in the past, and considered a valid teaching by the general authorities, but for public consumption it has been toned down.
Do you understand the concept of Cannon? there are tons of stuff tought by many in many churches with their approval which are not Cannonized.
Some examples, The Sale of indulgences, transubstanciation, Baptist support of the KKK at one point. But you can't go to the Catholics and buy an indulgence today, and the Baptists Don't support the KKK even unofficially any more (it was never official), and many churches that used to believe the sacrament actually changes into Jesus' flesh anymore, but many used to.
All churches have "fads" in beliefs, but the cannon is set by the church. You guys keep wanting to say Hey, this thing was once said by a General authority of your church, and I interpret it this way and that makes my interpretation your cannon and I want you to defend that.
It's no wonder you get frustrated when we basically laugh at you. I can find some bishop or cardinal of the Catholic church, or Dig in to the past and find some weird stuff some pope said, about the earth being flat or something, I could pick Fred Phelps as the "Face of the Baptists" and try to task every baptist with trying to defend what he says, but I know Fred does not speak for them, former popes are superseded by new popes, and none of that stuff was Cannonized by their churches, so it's just interesting foot notes in history. The same is true here, people say dumb stuff, I myself have said some real doozies, so what?
If you really want to have some fun with Apostles saying some dumb things, go read up on J. Golden Kimball, AKA the Swearing apostle, he said some stuff that was all but political suicide, it didn't make it any more cannon than if I said something dumb here.
My point is simple, you have a double standard, you think no assault can ever say something or offer an opinion without the whole church being held accountable, and most people will not agree with you. So the more you do it, the more crazy you look, we just look like victims (who is it that has that victim card?) I for one do not like looking like a victim, so cut it out, stop attacking us on unreasonable things there are plenty of reasonable things to attack us on, trust me.
2,209 posted on
01/30/2008 12:36:15 PM PST by
DelphiUser
("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
To: DelphiUser
Do you understand the concept of Cannon? there are tons of stuff tought by many in many churches with their approval which are not Cannonized. I was trying to toss you a bone to gratefully pull out of your embarrassing situation, oh well. No, we are talking about what the KEEPERS of mormon cannon, the 24/7 prophet and apostles of mormonism have taught and continue to teach. We are not talking individual churches in this context.
Hey, this thing was once said by a General authority of your church,
Yawn, this is not a 'once said', but a continual teaching over the entire course of mormonism (doesn't fit the definition of a fad DU).
Baptists Don't support the KKK even unofficially any more (it was never official)
Wow, provide a non-example as an example, then shoot your argument down, stop that you are taking my fun away from me. Then it never was DOCTRINE or CANNON was it (the fabric of DUs argument starts to unravel...)
My point is simple, you have a double standard, you think no assault can ever say something or offer an opinion without the whole church being held accountable, and most people will not agree with you.
You posted your claim in the original post. I disputed the claim because there is an abundance of evidence that your claim was false. I supplied that evidence to support, others said that they were familiar with that teaching first hand. Finally, in this instance, I was dealing with a singular organization - lds church and those who have endorsed and promulgated the teaching - which have not been refuted or withdrawn. Were I to apply your standard, I'd lump you in with RLDS and FLDS teachings too boot. That is not double standard, that is just the course of the discussion.
So the more you do it, the more crazy you look, we just look like victims (who is it that has that victim card?) I for one do not like looking like a victim, so cut it out, stop attacking us on unreasonable things there are plenty of reasonable things to attack us on, trust me.
Oh, the victim card has been played, ollie, ollie, oxen free. You claimed mormonism taught one thing, I proved that at the highest levels over its history it taught another and that is an attack. Wonder what you would REALLY do if attacked? But then in your stated opinion I'm just a scum sucking, pajama wearing serial poster with nothing better in life to do. So who is looking crazy, certainly not me.
2,212 posted on
01/30/2008 1:06:41 PM PST by
Godzilla
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