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To: DelphiUser; MHGinTN

Here is where your error starts, the creed put forth at the First Nicean Council IS NOT the Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed was approved at the Council of Constantinople in 381.
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11049a.htm

But let’s look at things from a historical perspective. Less than three centuries after our Lord’s death, Christianity was the dominant religion throughout the Roman Empire. This occurred despite the fact that the Roman emporers did everything in their power to stop it, Christianity prevailed because He wanted it to.

Now, by Joseph Smith’s account of things, the Lord also brought Christianity to America. If this is true, it must mean that He DID NOT want it to prevail here, otherwise when Columbus came ashore he would have been met by Christians.


220 posted on 01/10/2008 1:42:37 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Here is where your error starts, the creed put forth at the First Nicean Council IS NOT the Nicene Creed. The Nicene Creed was approved at the Council of Constantinople in 381.

Hold the phone while I laugh... Thanks.

The first council of Nicea produced a creed known as the Nicene creed. Later the inerrant Catholic church decides to hold a second council to correct what is by definition correct for it is the doctrine of the church (which makes it correct" to a form that will now be called Correct. do you know what this sounds like?

Do you deny the First council of Nicea happened?

Do you deny the Circumstances surrounding that Council as recorded by the Catholic Church?

If so, who cares what came out of the second council, god does not need Mulligan's.

But let’s look at things from a historical perspective.

I am trying too

Less than three centuries after our Lord’s death,

I'm sorry but if we are going to speak historically, lets get our dates straight AD does not mean after death, it means Anno Domini or essentially the year of Jesus birth.

325 AD is less than three centuries (325 - 33 (Jesus' age at Crucifixion)= 292 years) 381 (381 - 33 = 348 years) so it's more than three hundred years. (Call me a picker if you want...) Christianity was the dominant religion throughout the Roman Empire.

Of course it was, the first council of Nicea resulted in the "Roman Catholic church" the sate church of Rome was now Christianity!

This occurred despite the fact that the Roman emperors did everything in their power to stop it, Christianity prevailed because He wanted it to.

BZZT! Wrong! Go read the First council's proceedings, Constantine's offered to make the Church the state church if they would settle the "heated controversies regarding questions of no practical importanceFirst paragraph about three fourths of the way down.

Now, by Joseph Smith’s account of things, the Lord also brought Christianity to America. If this is true, it must mean that He DID NOT want it to prevail here, otherwise when Columbus came ashore he would have been met by Christians.

Do you believe man has Agency or not? Men chose to apostatize. It was prophesied in the Bible: second Thessolonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
So all we are seeing here is fulfillment of Scripture, surprised?
230 posted on 01/10/2008 3:36:59 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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