But your use of them is a lie. All these men you are quoting if they were General Authorities of the LDS church have borne testimony to the virgin birth. Uhhhh, hello, look at the names please, they promulgated the doctrine as prophets and apostles. Furthermore, the general authorities AS A DOCTRINAL DEFINING BODY has not repudiated these teachings. If they have, you seem unable to provide documentation to the same.
Your argument that We teach that God had sex with Mary boils down to "you believe that God has all the Equipment". One word, Lame!
"The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants, sec. 130:22).
Those are the words from your standard works. Where did they get the body? As one time humans. Do gods suddenly become neutered upon godhood? Furthermore, it is mormon doctrine that the gods procreate spirit children and have physical, tangible bodies, how else would this happen, through simply smiling at each other :)
I Said But your use of them is a lie. All these men you are quoting if they were General Authorities of the LDS church have borne testimony to the virgin birth.
U Said Uhhhh, hello, look at the names please, they promulgated the doctrine as prophets and apostles. Furthermore, the general authorities AS A DOCTRINAL DEFINING BODY has not repudiated these teachings. If they have, you seem unable to provide documentation to the same.
Words mean things my friend Only by cannonizing something does the Body responsible for Cannonization cause it to become doctrine of the church. No vague statement of God being Christ's father in every sense can over ride the Cannonized works of the church.
Alma 7: 10 10 And behold, he shall be born of Mary, at Jerusalem which is the land of our forefathers, she being a virgin, a precious and chosen vessel, who shall be overshadowed and conceive by the power of the Holy Ghost, and bring forth a son, yea, even the Son of God.
Born of a Virgin...
Isa. 7: 14 14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
So the Cannonized works of the Church say Mary was a virgin, every apostle of the church has testified of the Virgin birth.
Do you understand what the word Virgin means? Here, let me quote from
Dictionary.com Definition # 1 1. a person who has never had sexual intercourse.
Never means nobody, not God, not Joseph, nobody, no sex period.
There, does that do it for you? You started with MCConkie, I countered with the same book where he talked about the Virgin birth. You are doing the same thing you do with he scriptures, you cherry pick and then tell me how you interpret it. You can make the Bible. or the General authorities say anything by quoting them out of Context. That is now patently clear.
The Questions the lurkers need to ask themselves is, if you will do that to make a really prurient accusation, what else will you be willing to lie to them about to keep them from listening to us? How about Satan answering Joseph's prayer for example...
I Said Your argument that We teach that God had sex with Mary boils down to "you believe that God has all the Equipment". One word, Lame!
U Said "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants, sec. 130:22).
Those are the words from your standard works.
So do you.
A couple go on vacation to a fishing resort in northern Minnesota. The husband likes to fish at the crack of dawn. The wife likes to read. One morning the husband returns after several hours of fishing and decides to take a nap. Although not familiar with the lake, the wife decides to take the boat out. She motors out a short distance, anchors, and continues to read her book. Along comes a ranger in his boat. He pulls up alongside the woman and says, "Good morning Ma'am. What are you doing?" "Reading a book," she replies, (thinking "isn't that obvious?") "You're in a restricted fishing area," he informs her. "I'm sorry officer, but I'm not fishing, I'm reading." "Yes, but you have all the equipment. I'll have to take you in and write you up." "If you do that, I'll have to charge you with sexual assault," says the woman. "But I haven't even touched you," says the policeman. "That's true, but you have all the equipment."
This is a lame, I mean really lame argument, you cold be breaking a lot of laws right now because tyou have the ability to, so, are you guilty of all of them?
You do realize that God is omnipotent, he can do anything, By your logic, since God could be posting on FR under the handle DelphiUser, then he is (So watch it...). (LOL!)
U Said Where did they get the body?
Have you heard of the Resurrection? I ask you, mister trinitarian, what did Jesus do with his body one he was resurrected? IF he got rid of it again some how, then the resurrection is a meaningless act. IF he still has it, then God still has a body to you. You really don't want to go down this road, it's one of the ones where the Trinity turns in to a bunch of mush...
U Said As one time humans. Do gods suddenly become neutered upon godhood? Furthermore, it is assault doctrine that the gods procreate spirit children and have physical, tangible bodies, how else would this happen, through simply smiling at each other :)
Simple answer, Adam was created in God's image, Jesus was in the "Express" image of God, God is male. Adam even had a navel, because Jesus had one and therefore God and Adam had one. (To answer one of those trick questions about Adam.)
So God has Gender, and it's Male. (sorry Feminazis, that's just the way it is.)
As for Spirit procreation. We don't need to know that now, it's not necessary for our salvation, so God hasn't told us how. When it is time God will tell those to whom it matters. as for those who will not go to the highest kingdom, well angels don't procreate, so they don't need to know.
As for my opinion, I Think it's by shaking hands or sharing a fork, one of the two, or maybe...