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To: KTM rider

You define Christian by whether or not the person adheres to a given set of doctrines.

I define Christian by whether or not the person strives to follow Christ.

There is the disconnect.


174 posted on 01/09/2008 6:50:51 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh

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175 posted on 01/09/2008 6:54:12 PM PST by KTM rider ( SCOTUS '08 it's more than the oval office this time)
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To: tantiboh; KTM rider; MHGinTN
You define Christian by whether or not the person adheres to a given set of doctrines.

I define Christian by whether or not the person strives to follow Christ.

There is the disconnect.


I am continually amazed at the ignorance and hubris displayed by "Christians" on this forum. They seem to forget that Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats, not them. They have been commanded not to judge for exactly this reason, yet they judge, thus they are hearers of the word only. MHG has posted on this thread already, with his Mormons have a "works only" religion (I have told him many times this is false, yet he goes back there) Jesus has set forth the criteria of what it takes for him to call anyone a Christian in Matthew 10:32-33
32 Whosoever therefore shall confess me before men, him will I confess also before my Father which is in heaven.
33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
It's black and white what Jesus says makes you a Christian (not necessarily a good Christian, but a Christian), where does anyone get off deciding they can tell Jesus who he will call his own? There are four main sects of Buddhism, they don't go around saying the others aren't Buddhist, Hindus don't call other Hindus pagans Taoist don't argue over who's ancestor is better, it's just the Christians who want to say others are not of their faith. Faith; that is what it comes down to who do you believe in. We believe in Jesus Christ, born of Mary, healed the sick, cleansed the lepers, walked on water Crucified on the Cross, that Jesus, yet some want to say we believe in a different Jesus than they do. well if they do not believe in that Jesus, but some guy from Mexico they could be right. If they are saying that because of our different beliefs about this same Jesus, then they are being disingenuous, playing loose with the truth, or have a casual relationship with reality, take your pick.

The fact is we believe in Jesus Christ, so we are a Christian faith. We are not trying to join any church (a church is not a faith, and we have a church, thanks) We are not trying to force our way into any "Ecumenical councils", we don't even care if people add things to the word Christian like Orthodox, or Traditional and exclude us from their "Group" that way at least they would be accurate and truthful.

Anyway, I guess I kind of went off, sorry.
190 posted on 01/10/2008 9:00:47 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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