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Evangelicals Against Mitt
The American Spectator ^ | 1/3/2008 | Carrie Sheffield

Posted on 01/08/2008 4:09:13 PM PST by tantiboh

Mitt Romney is facing an unexpected challenge in Iowa from rival Mike Huckabee, who has enjoyed a groundswell of support from religious voters, particularly evangelical Christians wary of the clean-cut former Massachusetts governor because of his Mormon religion.

The common worry among evangelicals is that if Romney were to capture the White House, his presidency would give legitimacy to a religion they believe is a cult. Since the LDS church places heavy emphasis on proselytizing -- there are 53,000 LDS missionaries worldwide -- many mainstream Christians are afraid that Mormon recruiting efforts would increase and that LDS membership rolls would swell.

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THE ONLY PROBLEM with those fears is that they don't add up. Evangelicals may be surprised to learn that the growth of church membership in Massachusetts slowed substantially during Romney's tenure as governor. In fact, one could make the absurdly simplistic argument that Romney was bad for Mormonism.

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ONE WAY TO GAUGE what might happen under a President Romney would be to look at what happened during the period of the 2002 Olympic Winter Games. Held in Salt Lake City, they were dubbed the "Mormon Olympics."

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Despite all the increased attention, worldwide the Church grew only slightly, and in fact in the year leading up to the games the total number of congregations fell. Overall, from 2000 to 2004, there was a 10.9 percent increase in memberships and a 3.6 percent increase in congregations.

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The LDS church is likely to continue its current modest-but-impressive growth whether or not Romney wins the White House. Perhaps the only real worry for evangelicals is that, if elected, the former Massachusetts governor will demonstrate to Americans that Mormons don't have horns.

Carrie Sheffield, a member of the LDS Church, is a writer living in Washington, D.C.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: election; ia2008; lds; mormon; romney
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To: DarthVader

~”Mormons are not Christians...”~

Yada, yada, yada.

You do realize, of course, that your opinion in the matter isn’t terribly important?


501 posted on 01/23/2008 3:44:02 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: DarthVader

~”Dancing is not a problem. That is ultra-Christian fundamentalist legalism which is false teaching in the Christian church.”~

Ah, so anything not found in -your- denomination of Christianity is a false teaching.

Gotcha.

~”Mormon deceit will never prevail against the Truth.”~

Than you’ve nothing to worry about, do you? In this case, you may find Acts 5:38-39 to be wise counsel. I suggest you follow the Bible.


502 posted on 01/23/2008 3:48:18 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: Yaelle

Thank you. Glad I could help.


503 posted on 01/23/2008 3:49:53 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: cherry

~”if freeper Mormons would stop the constant “Mormons are nice people” threads and oh, how handsome his sons are, then maybe Mitt might be more acceptable...

but this thread proves my point precisely....”~

How, praytell, is the topic of this thread related in any way to “Mormons are nice people” or “how handsome his sons are?” How, precisely, does this thread prove your point?


504 posted on 01/23/2008 3:55:52 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: Mr. Mojo

~”They certainly don’t cause me to think differently about their professed relgions.”~

Me neither, because I have context that tells me that they are exceptions, and not the rule.

Many people have no such context about Mormons - a President Romney would be their first exposure. If they don’t like his politics, will they refuse to listen to the tenants of the faith he embraces? Some will, I think. That does concern me.


505 posted on 01/23/2008 3:58:10 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: DarthVader; DelphiUser

DarthVader, this post makes it clear you are a neophyte in anti-Mormon polemics. Better bone up on the origins of the Bible.

Have fun tearing this vapidness to pieces, DU!


506 posted on 01/23/2008 4:01:11 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: Yankereb

Eisenhower was, in fact, a Jehovah’s Witness when he was elected. He converted shortly after his inauguration. It appears he was never a devoted JW.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eisenhower#Religion


507 posted on 01/23/2008 4:04:24 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: tantiboh
~”Mormons are not Christians...”~

I note that he cannot tell where his "Christian" teaching came from concerning the "Trinity".

His belief does not agree with the Christians of old.

Maybe they weren't "Christians" either.

508 posted on 01/23/2008 4:04:29 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: rintense

I caught that part of Huckabee’s speech. It was fascinating, wasn’t it? He outright said that we needed to change the Constitution to bring it in line with the Bible.

Sounds like holy-roller Shari’a to me.


509 posted on 01/23/2008 4:06:48 PM PST by tantiboh
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To: DarthVader

“Before Abraham was, I Am” ... Jesus defined Himself to be God and when He was about to leave He told the disciples He would send to them The Holy Spirit. ONLY God can make such claims, not ‘a god’, THE God.


510 posted on 01/23/2008 4:22:35 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DarthVader
This is what you guys are running up against and this is the last word:

If you say so.

I hope you realize that Revelations was not the last book written in the Bible.

In Revelations 3:14 it says:
14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;
Laodicea was destroyed by a mighty earthquake in 60 B.C. Rome offered to rebuild it, but the Laodiceans wanted to do it themselves It was hit again in 65 AD it was never rebuilt. Thus, The Book of Revelations was written when Laodicea existed, it was before 65 AD. The Gospel of John is dated later (accounts vary from 81-100+ AD) Thus if you are serious, half of the books of the new testament are now to be excluded. The book of Deuteronomy includes a similar passage, is the rest of the Bible to be discarded?

Obviously, the strict interpretation is not correct. When you realize that when the Book of Revelations was written, it was exactly that, a Book it becomes clear, do not add or detract from the Book of Revelations (But john could still write his Gospel as a sperate book) and the other authors who wrote the other gospels after 60AD could still write theirs, and Joseph could add his testimony and write scripture, and the church today can still add scripture, if there is any to add.

If anyone wants to read it in context, Revelations 22 is the link, but as soon as you read it with Johns understanding (that Revelations, the book he was writing would be a separate book) then it is perfectly clear what he meant.

Your Book OF Mormon is a bunch of lies from hell and true Christians do not heed admonition from heretics and false prophets like Joseph Smith and yourself.

I am truly sorry you feel that way, however, before you damn us to Hell (hand basket optional) I would ask you if you believe the Bible and obey it?

For if you do, I would ask you to consider the following Scripture from First John 4:1-3
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
Since this is by John who's words you just used to damn me to hell, I hope you will listen to him and obey his command to try the spirits. He even tells you how to know if an answer to your prayer is of God, or of the Devil. You needn't be afraid to follow his advice, the Bible won't steer you wrong.

Click here to get a free Book of Mormon, And if you don't have one, a Free Bible, Read Both, pray about both, Ask God to tell you if the Book of Mormon is true, ask God to testify of Jesus and his mission, when you receive an answer, the Bible will tell you if it is of God or not. Once you know, you can either safely damn us to Hell (and set the hand basket on fire if you want), or join us in the knowledge of God and his commands. Your choice for God will force no man to heaven.

I have taken this test. I have received an answer from GOD himself! I know what he wants me to do. and I know that the Book of Mormon is his word for he testified to me of it's truth at the same time as he told me Jesus was my savior and came to this earth to rescue me from my sins. I testify to you that you too can know, for the Bible tells you so.

What are you waiting for? Do you believe the Bible, or don't you.
511 posted on 01/23/2008 4:24:15 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: rintense
No, not my intention at all. In fact, it was a slam on Huckabee and no one else.

OK, then I withdraw my retort, Chuckle

I agree on huckster, he says "The high road is over there!" points at it like he is going there, then takes the low road.

(I'm talking about how he claims not to have any control over the push polls and is encouraging others to take the high road like him, yet he could stop the push polls with one phone call.) IOW it's OK to be a politician, we kind of expect that when you are running for president, but don't wrap yourself in your religion, and don't condemn what you are doing with the other hand.

I just don't think I could bring myself to vote for McCain unless he's on a ballot opposite Hillary, Duncan's out, sigh, Newt how'd you like to get in this? A presidential newt, that won't work...
512 posted on 01/23/2008 4:36:03 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: tantiboh
Some fascinating info there, DU. Thanks for the heads up!
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[high-five]


Thanks, I seem to find the best stuff when goaded by some anti or the other.

[on the side]
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[Down Low] ...

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Too Slow My Brother!

Have a Good one, and God bless.
513 posted on 01/23/2008 4:40:28 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser
**************Bee Back Later ****************

514 posted on 01/23/2008 4:44:38 PM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: DelphiUser

Not interested in your hell-bound cult


515 posted on 01/23/2008 4:56:49 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: DelphiUser

I believe the Bible you don’t.


516 posted on 01/23/2008 4:58:55 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: DelphiUser

You sound just like Jim Jones and David Koresh.


517 posted on 01/23/2008 4:59:49 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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To: DarthVader
You were going to explain where your doctrine of the Trinity came from and provide some references that are not from fellow Mormon Bashers.

I provided references that were not from Mormon authors.

Provide some neutral references like I did.

518 posted on 01/23/2008 5:03:01 PM PST by Dan(9698)
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To: tantiboh; Colofornian; SkyPilot; Godzilla; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; Osage Orange; JRochelle; ...
A peepstone conman who duped people with his fabricated scriptures and tried to rewrite the Bible to create prophecies of 'his coming in these latter days' is hardly a work of God that Gamaliel referred to in Acts 5:38-39.

Your spiritual leader wants Christians to sit down and shut up while he murders the souls of those being sucked into the cult of Mormonism's works before Grace 'to be worthy of Grace'. You do him service every time you try that ploy of citing Acts 5:38-39 and try to associate that to the advent of Mormonism arising to 'restore' that which was never lost from mankind.

The brashness of Mormonism apologists no longer surprises me. You peddle spiritual death as if it is enlightenment, just the way Satan peddled it to Eve ... 'after all, God told you you would die just to scare you from becoming like Him, knowing Good from evil'. Mormonism has rephrased that as 'after all that you can do, you will be worthy of Grace' for God will owe you, seeing that you did all that you could do to be righteous He will be obliged to add His Grace to your 'all that you could do'.

You dance all around it, but in the end you are promoting the same lie that worked with Eve. You even go so far as to intimate that 'God has not told us Orthodox Christians all that we need for Salvation, that we need Mormonism and Mormon baptism'. And further yet, you assert that God could not keep His promise and His Salvation disappeared from humankind until God could find the peepstone conman named Joseph Smith to restore Christ's Grace through 'all that you can do.'

If Mormonism was from God, He would not contradict Himself. Mormonism can't even keep from contradicting itself on several issues. But you apologists have become quite adept at spinning the lies and heresies in Mormonism to appear to be 'special dispensations'. Such boldness to lie for your spiritual master, to spin and deceive, then assert that your cult is a work of God that one should not oppose! A few months ago, it was astonishing to see it done so openly. Now, it is mundane, just spiritual death selling itself, the same deceit used by Satan with Eve.

'After all that you can do', if you do not repent while there is time for you, you will hear Him say 'Depart from me, workers of iniquity. I never knew you.' I'll see your Acts 5:39-39 and raise you Matthew 22:13-14. After all that you can do, you will still have no garment unless you FIRST come to Him and be made alive so that all that you can do is done by His creating work. Through Him are all things made, not through all that you can do.

519 posted on 01/23/2008 5:03:31 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: DelphiUser

13 ‘Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road is easy* that leads to destruction, and there are many who take it. 14For the gate is narrow and the road is hard that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

15 ‘Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17In the same way, every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus you will know them by their fruits.

21 ‘Not everyone who says to me, “Lord, Lord”, will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only one who does the will of my Father in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, “Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many deeds of power in your name?” 23Then I will declare to them, “I never knew you; go away from me, you evildoers.”


520 posted on 01/23/2008 5:09:03 PM PST by DarthVader (Liberal Democrats are the party of EVIL whose time of judgement has come.)
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