Posted on 01/08/2008 10:10:56 AM PST by mnehring
“Drive with no seatbelt.
Smoke in a restaurant.
Sell unpasturized milk.
Give your 19 year old son a beer after a hard day baling hay.”
For 99.9 percent of history, we couldn’t drive. 70% of the planet can’t afford one of our restaurants to slowly kill themselves in. How many people really care that they can’t sell unpasteurised milk? How many people have been fined for giving their 19 year old a beer after a hard day’s work? How deep do you have to dig to find an example of limitations on our freedom compared to the rest of the world across history?
Really, I don’t want to be a smart a~s, but some people rarely recognize what a freaking wonderful society we live in and focus on the most trivial limitations that (sometimes) need to come with all the unprecedented new opportunities.
That's fascism? Man, the bar has really been set low.
You’re right. Some people are so obsessed with the good of a simple ideal that they’ve completely lost perspective with how it fits in with all the others, especially tolerance for the imperfections in a democratic society that make their freedom possible. Some will out grow it, some won’t.
BTW, last time I checked, most of the things he listed like driving or drinking ages, are regulated on the State or Local level- ie, the 10th amendment. I wonder if some people want a Constitutional government or just anarchy.
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This can’t be said often enough. Marxism is our nation’s most imminent threat. And,,,the Marxists are hard at work in our nation’s schools: government K-12, colleges, and universities.
We must close down government K-12 schools, and thoroughly reform or close down Marxist dominated colleges and universities. Remove your own kid from government K-12 immediate.
What really gets me, is that Rush, Sean Hannity, and Bill OReilly just don’t get it.
While Sean and Bill do report on school outrages, they consistently miss the mark on the cause and solution.
T’ain’t the feds that ordered them in, though, is it?
“That’s fascism? Man, the bar has really been set low.”
You say that like you think fascism is a bad thing. Americans love it. They’ve been taught to hate the name but they instinctivly love it’s practice. It’s the natural way of life.
It’s freedom that’s so unusual, weird, and unpopular.
Freedom is messy and dangerous. Most people prefer security.
Considering most of these are state and local laws, I take it you don’t believe in the tenth amendment?
I wasn’t trying to differentiate beween different levels of government. They all have the power to take away freedoms.
Those examples were off the top of my head. They are important, but I found another one. It’s from another FR post that I just read:
Sheriff: SWAT Team Necessary Because Man Is a “Self-Proclaimed Constitutionalist”
Reason ^ | 1/8/08 | Radley Balko
Posted on 01/08/2008 5:11:23 PM PST by LibWhacker
World Net Daily reports:
Nearly a dozen members of a police SWAT team in western Colorado punched a hole in the front door and invaded a family’s home with guns drawn, demanding that an 11-year-old boy who had had an accidental fall accompany them to the hospital, on the order of Garfield County Magistrate Lain Leoniak.
The boy’s parents and siblings were thrown to the floor at gunpoint and the parents were handcuffed in the weekend assault, and the boy’s father told WND it was all because a paramedic was upset the family preferred to care for their son themselves.
The boy had apparently fallen and bumped his head. His father, who says he was a medic in Vietnam, says he examined the boy, determined he was fine, and saw no need to take him to the hospital. A paramedic called by neighbors forced his way into the home, then called police when the father refused to let the son go to thie hospital.
The police then sent social workers, who according to the Associated Press reported “a huge hematoma and a sluggish pupil.” That night, they sent in the SWAT team.
As it turns out, the kid was fine. After the raid, a doctor examined him, and told him to drink some fluids and take a Tylenol.
I’m even more troubled by the explanation for the aggressive tactics:
The sheriff said the decision to use SWAT team force was justified because the father was a “self-proclaimed constitutionalist” and had made threats and “comments” over the years.
However, the sheriff declined to provide a single instance of the father’s illegal behavior. “I can’t tell you specifically,” he said.
“He was refusing to provide medical care,” the sheriff said.
However, the sheriff said if his own children were involved in an at-home accident, he would want to be the one to make decisions on their healthcare, as did Shiflett.
“I guess if that was one of my children, I would make that decision,” the sheriff said.
But he said Shiflett was “rude and confrontational” when the paramedics arrived and entered his home without his permission.
Shiflett also home schools his kids. By the sheriff’s own admission, then, the show of force was more about Shiflet’s political beliefs and desire to be left alone than any real child neglect. “Constitutionalists,” beware.
Besides, by that logic, GM is responsible for every motor vehicle accident involving a Chevy. Smith and Wesson is responsible for every shooting involving a Model 19. Chicago Cutlery is responsible for the medical bills of every idiot who cuts themselves preparing dinner. They didn't use those products, or even order them used. But they CREATED them.
Not sure how we got here from "Military Industrial Complex", but there you go.
“We’re the freest people in the history of the planet...”
And I want to stay that way, but the Pubbie Party (Rats lite) and the regular Rat party want to take us down the road to socialism (gov’t ownership of everything and everybody) or fascism (gov’t regulation and control over private industry — with the connivance and consent of the industries — and ownership of the peons, you and me). Only difference is the Rat Lite party doesn’t (yet) have the pedal to the metal, just “almost.”
Dr. Paul rightly, IMO, sees the most serious issues as INTERNAL... that is, those who would trade MY freedom for their ILLUSION of security. You know, people like you Paul-bashers who have the fantasy that the Islamo-nuts are a serious threat to us, when they are NOT. They are at most an annoyance. They cannot come here and conquer us, now or ever. If they were to somehow come to power here, it would be at the behest of our own government and NOT because they were militarily (or any other way) mightier than the United States. Only our own government can take away our liberty, and then only because they are ALLOWED to do that by those who seek security (which is an ILLUSION) over freedom.
And only the Liberals and their sycophants (like GWB) are telling us just how peaceful the Islamo-nuts are... Only the PC crowd wants to EMBRACE those who want to kill us. The REST of us take the “threat” of militant islam with the large grain of salt it needs... We wish neither to cow-tow to them nor kill them unnecessarily.
Are you suggesting that is representative of police tactics?
There are many neglectful under-uses of police force for every incident like that. Both are wrong, but this is a nation of 300 million. Books could be written about idiots on both extremes, but I wouldn’t think that make either a trend unless I exclusively listen to Pacifica Radio or read WND.
“And I want to stay that way, but the Pubbie Party (Rats lite)”
You know, you just sound like a mentally disturbed kook like that. I’ve seen them on this site for years, dating back to Clinton detention camp construction and the upcoming the Y2K induced nuclear war. I just stop reading when those red flags go up.
“Dr Paul” needs you, keep up the good work and keep the donations coming ...
ironic that Paul uses that analogy whilst so many here accuse him of allying with NeoNazis who are pretty much historically identified with facism....more the hard variety
i think it’s BS from both barrels
Inching???!! INCHING???!!!
And just who was it that put NCLB together? Let me see, that would have been GWB (R) and Teddy No Pants (D)... or the Prescription Drug boondoggle? Oh, my... that would have been GWB (R). Or CFR? Let me guess... that would be McLame (R) and Feingold (D) and signed by GWB (R), despite KNOWING it was and is fatally flawed, Constitutionally... Of course there’s more, as you would be aware... but can you point out just WHERE there are SUBSTANTIVE differences between the Rats and the Rats Lite? (As you know, all these things were PASSED by a PUBBIE-controlled Congress... with Dr. Paul often the only NO vote on ALL of them.)
One of the few things the man says that makes some sense to me. But I didn’t bother reading the rest of the article...
When it comes to medicine, housing, agriculture, R&D, education, etc, etc, socialism is the instrument of choice in the US.
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