[driftdiver]

"And the Kelly-era NYPD has continued the nuts and bolts of effective policing - stop-and-frisks toget guns off the street and enforcement of quality-of-life laws - despite carping from the usual critics."

Stop and frisk sounds like an illegal search. But hey I guess if it gets those evil guns off the street. NYC is now a police state and crowing about it.

[NativeNewYorker]

Stop and frisk sounds like an illegal search.

The cops do this to turnstile-jumpers, weed smokers, and other low-level crime perps as a matter of course. They turn up lots of folks who've jumped bail, broken parole, etc., and put them behind bars.

The greatest beneficiaries of this policy are folks of color, who suffered the highest murder rates under the Dinkins/Democrat regimes.

[BohDaThone]

stop-and-frisk" is what is referred to as a "Terry Stop" from the supreme court case (around 1976, IIRC) that said it didn't violate the 4th amendment. 2 major qualifications:

1. Cop needs "reasonable suspicion" -- not full "probable casue" but not just at random -- say, people loitering around a liquor store without going in.

2. can only search to the extent of self-protection -- "frisk" for weapons, not "search" for drugs, stolen cash, etc.