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The Iowa Fallout
The Minority Report ^ | 4 January 2008 | .cnI redruM

Posted on 01/04/2008 7:09:20 AM PST by .cnI redruM

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And the plot now thickens....
1 posted on 01/04/2008 7:09:24 AM PST by .cnI redruM
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By writing Fred’s obituary, they lowered his expectations down to Ron Paul level. Thus, Fred’s “accomplishment” of getting 13% of the Iowa vote doesn’t quite stink as badly. Fred wins by dodging the bullet.

True. But he's got one shot left in his own gun, and that's SC, where his numbers currently are just as bad, and Huck's are just as good. If Fred can't win SC, say buh-bye.

2 posted on 01/04/2008 7:20:51 AM PST by Huck (The GOP is a mess.)
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True that. CNN kept him on life support. Not even Lou Dobbs and Wolf Blitzer would be stupid enough to make that mistake twice.


3 posted on 01/04/2008 7:25:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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Therefore, a Huckabee win signifies a GOP that no longer remembers 9-11 or cares enough about defeating international terrorism to keep my young child safe.

Who wrote this tripe?

4 posted on 01/04/2008 7:35:38 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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I did. After hearing Mike Huckabee say we owed Pakistan an apology, I felt like I was listening to Jimmy “I hate America First” Carter all over again.
5 posted on 01/04/2008 7:38:25 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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To: JohnnyZ
According to all NATIONAL polls, Barak HUSSEIN OBAMA easily beats ANY Republican, including McCain and Thompson.

IF Obama gets the Socialist [Dims] Party nod it is a certainty that his middle name will never be uttered by the MSM.

However the fact that a candidate named OBAMA can be elected 8 years after 911 is surreal!!

6 posted on 01/04/2008 7:41:58 AM PST by PISANO
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According to all NATIONAL polls, Barak HUSSEIN OBAMA easily beats ANY Republican, including McCain and Thompson.

Which is why it's been so stupid that Republicans have been rooting for him to be nominated.

7 posted on 01/04/2008 7:48:30 AM PST by JohnnyZ ("When we say I saw the PATRIOTS win the WORLD SERIES, it doesn't necessarily mean ...." - Mitt)
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To: .cnI redruM

Hillary will never concede - she will have to be forcibly ejected!


8 posted on 01/04/2008 7:50:10 AM PST by rockrr (Global warming is to science what Islam is to religion)
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Which may prove to be awesome. She will take the whole Democratic Party down with her in 2008. Given the opportunity to nobly fall upon her gladius and save the party in 2008, she’ll toss the party into the nearest Insinkerator and flip the switch.
9 posted on 01/04/2008 8:01:26 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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Listen up, I'm going to educate you:

The Republican Party is a coalition of various factions. There's the libertarians, the Federalists, the free-enterprisers, the Constitutionalists, the supporters of self-defense rights, and last but not least, the Social Conservatives/Christians/Evangelicals. Many people are simultaneously members of two or more factions. Broadly speaking, the factions can be abstracted into two: Anti-socialists and Social Conservatives.

A socially liberal GOP Presidential nominee who favors abortion-oon-demand and gay marriage would so alienate the social conservatives that they would at best stay home on election day. A more likely result would be the destruction of the Republican Party as we know it (think of the Whigs in 1860.)

A socialist GOP Presidential nominee who favors progressive tax and spending policies would so alienate the anti-socialists that they would at best stay home on election day. A more likely result would be the destruction of the Republican Party as we know it (think of the Whigs in 1860.)

Mike Huckabee is a socialist. So he is anathema to the anti-socialist factions of the GOP. If he becomes the GOP nominee, the GOP coalition disintegrates. It's that simple.

10 posted on 01/04/2008 8:30:52 AM PST by sourcery (The Branch Algorian cult believes in human sacrifice)
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To: sourcery
I don’t need the lesson. Get past about the 3rd paragraph, and you’ll see I wasn’t anywhere near as happy with Mike Huckabee as Susan Estrogen was.
11 posted on 01/04/2008 8:35:58 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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I’m not sure if Huckabee’s win forced the whole party to the left, but I think that Huckabee’s win gave Rudy a boost nationally.

There are a whole lot of Republicans out there who would vote for anyone who could win, not just beat Hillary, but first beat Huckabee and McCain. The Iowa Republicans may have inadvertantly given Giuliani a boost.


12 posted on 01/04/2008 8:55:26 AM PST by Eva
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I’d have rather seen them give Fred a direct one, but hey; that’s just my personal axe to grind.

That having been said, Rudy lost significantly last night. Just saying “I didn’t try!” doesn’t excuse a loss to Ron Paul by more than 5%. Rudy has to come up big (at least a 2nd place) in either NH or MI or he won’t be alive when Florida, NY,NJ and CA roll around.

13 posted on 01/04/2008 9:03:45 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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I heard on FOX that Rudy is still ahead nationally and a rejection by the Iowa voters is seen as a plus, rather than a negative. That’s not exactly what they said, but that was the idea.


14 posted on 01/04/2008 9:08:53 AM PST by Eva
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I guess we really still don’t know. 2 months ago, Mitt Romney didn’t see last night coming.


15 posted on 01/04/2008 9:13:49 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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Hopefully, over the next two months the rest of the voters will take a closer look at Huckabee’s stance on issues, rather than his self-proclaimed Christianity. I can’t see the majority of Republicans being taken in by his “do unto to others” rhetoric, but the success of the mega churches scares a lot.

This from the WSJ Opinion Journal:

But one wonders whether his newfound supporters would really say that if they took a close look at his policies. With increasing frequency, Mr. Huckabee invokes his faith when advocating greater government involvement in just about every aspect of American life. In doing so, Mr. Huckabee has actually answered the prayers of the religious left.


16 posted on 01/04/2008 9:39:49 AM PST by Eva
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Hunter may yet surprise us even before New Hampshire. Because he has campaigned in Wyoming, which has a race before New Hampshire, and no one else is campaigning there.

Wyoming to Hold Overlooked GOP Caucus Before New Hampshire
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1947693/posts

Then there’s New Hampshire. Hunter’s already there while everyone else wraps up in Iowa.


17 posted on 01/04/2008 10:53:12 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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I’d love to see Hunter be someone’s Veep or SecDef. He needs one more high profile job to be electable as POTUS. Maybe he can take out Barbara Boxer and serve in the Senate. That, right there, would make him a hero to people on the right who don’t yet properly respect how smart a guy Duncan Hunter really is.
18 posted on 01/04/2008 11:22:26 AM PST by .cnI redruM (New Republic? Same old Left.)
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Tancredo tried that strategy, throwing his own supporters under the bus and falling in with Romney. Today he realizes it was a poor move.

Tancredo sees loss in Huckabee winhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1948252/posts

Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.

Thompson’s January Dropout contract went up about 25 points last night after Iowa.

DROPOUT.JAN08.(F)THOMPSON
Fred Thompson to drop out of 2008 Presidential race on/before 31 Jan 2008 M 40.0 98.9 60.0 103 +24.8

If Fred drops out, the support would finally go to Hunter. He’s more conservative than Fred anyways.


19 posted on 01/04/2008 1:03:14 PM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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To: JohnnyZ

Um...someone who has looked at Huckabee’s record for about 3 minutes?


20 posted on 01/04/2008 1:06:21 PM PST by RockinRight (Huck Supporters: Being Christian doesn't make one an automatic conservative. Far from it.)
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