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To: hawkaw
I don't think they are on Al's full bandwagon but recognize there seems to be a problem. I also don't think there is any dispute that CO2 concentrations have risen in the last little while.

There seems to be a problem relative to what? To data and input that goes back maybe 10,000 years, more often climate recordings that go back a piddly, measly, 200 or so years? This is in the context of a critter (us) that was in CAVES 35,000 years ago, that only started to have written history a few thousand years ago. This is in the context of a world where a mere 125,000 years ago -- the blink of an eye relatively speaking -- sea levels were 25 feet higher and about 3/4ths of what we know as Florida was under water.

This is in the context of a planet where an even more piddling 20,000 years ago, when we were still dragging each other by the hair and doing cave art, sea levels were about 350 feet lower and what we now call Florida was more than twice its present size.

This "there seems to be a problem" is in the context of a world where massive -- and we're talking in the 90 percents -- extinctions have happened at least FOUR times. A planet where dinosaurs were wiped out THREE times, and final and last time 65 MILLION years ago, after dinosaurs had pretty much ruled the planet for 150 MILLION YEARS!!! This is a world on which Neanderthal apparently had a MUCH MUCH MUCH longer reign that we homo sapiens -- many paleontologists think Neanderthal was aroudn for about 150,000 years compared to our being here apparently for a fraction of that ...

THIS in the context of a world where only 500 or so years ago when Juan Cabrillo took his ship up the California Coast, he saw SNOW ALL THE WAY D0WN TO THE WATERLINE on the Big Sur Coast; if that happened today, environmentalists woudl be in a panic over the "destruction" of the freezing temperatures killing so many little creatures, and people like you would fall for it and blame ME and the rest of US for causing it.

Ignorant people are gullible people. I read Al Gore's "Earth in the Balance," every single word. And believe me, I would have been worried and concered by it and maybe even fallen for it if I hadn't, just by coincidence, come off of a science-text binge of several basic (non political) texts on paleontolgy and geological history. Global climate change is real -- it's been happening constantly for millions and millions of years. EVERY SINGLE PROTECTED BEACH AND WETLAND TODAY will be underwater someday. Count on it. Conversely, EVERY SINGLE PROTECTED WETLAND AND ESTUARY will be high and dry someday. Count on it. There's not a damned thing you or I or any other human can do about it.

Here's the TRUTH, hawkaw: Thinking we can analyize CO2's effects on global climate is like thinking we can take a random nano-second out of a day and analyze the week's weather from it. It is absurd. EVERYTHING, and I mean EVERYTHING, we do on this planet is temporary.

19 posted on 01/02/2008 8:55:22 AM PST by Finny (There are many enemies in our work. One of them is envy. -- A British naval officer)
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To: Finny

Well said Finny. Anthropogenic Climate Change just doesn’t pass the giggle test no matter how many computer models are manipulated to say otherwise.

Climates change, they always have and they always will, regardless of human activity.


20 posted on 01/02/2008 3:53:31 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Fred will crush the beast and send her back through the gates of hell.)
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