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Great Britain: Parking outside your home could cost more if you have a long car (Yes, your own home)
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | December 31, 2007 | MATTHEW HICKLEY

Posted on 01/01/2008 4:08:35 AM PST by Stoat

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To: Stoat; ch.man
I think ch.man meant that this kind of policy would increase the ‘price’ of having children (children need big car), so assuming people have a same income, they would prefer less children, which would lead to lower birth rates. Lower birth rates among ‘native’ British will result in a smaller labor force in the future, and assuming constant productivity they will need more people to maintain their economic growth. This means that the country to needs immigrants to fulfill the labor demand. Judging from what (some) Labour officials have said about the need to have ‘multicultural UK’, a big chunk of the immigrants will probably come from Islamic countries.
21 posted on 01/01/2008 5:25:17 AM PST by paudio (Rose: I loath and despise money! Father: You also spend it!)
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To: paudio

If that is what ch man intended then yes I agree; in fact it’s happening now...perhaps not in an ‘official’ way but in a de-facto way. The muslim birthrate is skyrocketing worldwide (muslim mommies want to make more suicide bomber children, I guess) and the ‘white’ population is plummeting in many areas. Just a few days ago, as an example, the Daily Mail ran a Christmas story about a family that had I think 12 children and it told about how they dealt with holidays with such a large family. Many of the reader comments to this story were highly critical of the family, some viciously so, and the critical ones hinged upon the family’s size and how they were being so very ‘irresponsible’ for having so many children.
What you say fits in with what I’ve been seeing as far as recent trends are concerned, unfortunately.

Also, I would imagine that muslims would be prized immigrants, in the eyes of these Socialists, because in many cases the women are not allowed to drive at all.


22 posted on 01/01/2008 5:35:34 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
No comment of mine has ever made it past the screeners at the Daily Mail. I've come to the conclusion that the comments are HEAVILY moderated and edited....not only for language, but for philosophical perspective.

Nor mine, even when I give my family's old address Over There.

So it is content, not (just) contempt for the Colonies.

23 posted on 01/01/2008 5:42:46 AM PST by Gorzaloon
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To: Gorzaloon

Thank you; just what I suspected :-(


24 posted on 01/01/2008 5:48:32 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Yeah, unfortunately social sciences (esp. demography, economics, sociology) have been fixated with lowering birth rates since the 1950s. Only very recent did that they start to pay attention to negative birth rate and its consequences.


25 posted on 01/01/2008 5:55:48 AM PST by paudio (Rose: I loath and despise money! Father: You also spend it!)
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To: paudio
Only very recent did that they start to pay attention to negative birth rate and its consequences.

And yet political fashion still holds sway in the West, despite voluminous evidence that we are intentionally 'underbirthing' ourselves to extinction, or at least to dhimmitude.

I believe that there have been several recent books by Conservative authors touching on these issues, but because they are by Conservative authors they are ignored by the mainstream press who continue to preach abortion and tiny families to white Westerners but bleat "diversity" and "acceptance" of everything when it comes to others

26 posted on 01/01/2008 6:01:34 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Brit_Guy

Sometimes called “walled city.”


27 posted on 01/01/2008 6:27:32 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Stoat
Image hosted by Photobucket.com Atlas Puked...
28 posted on 01/01/2008 6:28:10 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

A few things about having a town car over there, the size of the car would turn many heads, cars are small over there for two reasons, Gas prices and parking. Having said that it would probably take the price of the car to fill it up and you would be lucky to find a parking space on a street long enough to park it, especially if it was a down town area of Norwich.


29 posted on 01/01/2008 7:28:03 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: Chode

You vote in socialists and you get taxed and regulated until you are little more than a vassal to the bureaucrats. Nothing surprising here, it’s what the Brits asked for.


30 posted on 01/01/2008 7:35:28 AM PST by mike-zed
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31 posted on 01/01/2008 7:37:31 AM PST by Gritty (As England decays into Somalia with chip shops, taxing the chip shops is the priority-Mark Steyn)
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To: Brit_Guy
Let me add my thanks for your explanation.

One question.

Here in the United States, such a move by a city council would lead to calls for a recall election to remove the council and replace them with office holders who would be expected to reverse the offending policies/laws/etc. We have this power at the state and local level because they are written into the constitutions of these political entities.

Is there a similar provision in English law to remove officials who offend public sensibilities?

(BTW, the recall process is not easy due to the fairly strict processes concerning the collection and validation of signatures needed to place the matter before the voters in a special election. Normally, a slate of replacement candidates is up for election at the same time to ensure continuity of leadership should the recall election succeed. The most notable recent example was the recall of Governor Gray in California and his replacement by Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp), aka “The Terminator.” We do not have this power at the federal level because there is no provision for it in the U.S. Constitution. The only way we can remove a federal office holder is impeachment by the House of Representatives and conviction in the Senate.)

32 posted on 01/01/2008 7:52:02 AM PST by Captain Rhino ( If we have the WILL to do it, there is nothing built in China that we cannot do without.)
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To: Brit_Guy
Here in the states the leftys moan about sprawl and try to convince people to move back into the dense urban centers where they would have to park on the street.

It looks like this may be one of the "surprises" waiting for the suckers who listen to the pols and the "activists".

:-(
33 posted on 01/01/2008 8:04:54 AM PST by cgbg ("2009-2017: Gnarled and ugly,loud and preachy, fiscally and morally depraved.")
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To: Stoat
...another 'stealth tax' for hard-hit family motorists already struggling to pay high fuel prices, congestion charges and road duties...

...a move which will raise millions of pounds in extra revenue...

Congestion charges? Road duties? Parking fees? Emissions tax? Length tax? What the heck are congestion charges and road duties anyway?

34 posted on 01/01/2008 8:42:40 AM PST by Sender (You are the weapon. What you hold in your hand is just a tool.)
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To: Captain Rhino

“Here in the United States, such a move by a city council would lead to calls for a recall election to remove the council and replace them with office holders who would be expected to reverse the offending policies/laws/etc. We have this power at the state and local level because they are written into the constitutions of these political entities.”

Local elections are scheduled - there is no ability to kick out a council once elected by the electorate, you have to wait for the end of their term - however, councils operate in a similar way to our parliament so you may get individual representatives (councillors) kicked out of their roles internally by fellow councilors who can taste the political climate.

Most of the policy initatives though are actually run by non elected council officers - most of our local politicians are idiots (there is no money in local politics) so give a nod and a wink to paid officials ideas as they don’t have the wit to come up with their own. I always find our local government far more ‘soviet’ than the central government (though that may just be where I live).


35 posted on 01/01/2008 9:20:57 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: NaughtiusMaximus

“They sure would nail my Towncar.”

Another cultural differenceis that these kind of moves are not as unpopular over here as they would be over on your side of the pond. When I tried to mobilise my neighbours to get parking permits for residents where I used to live (rather than having to pay by the hour to park outside my home!) I hit a brick wall. It’s a consequence of the lack of space and population density. Our roads in the major cities were mainly built between 1700-1939. The width is set by the buildings on either side - you can’t go wider without knocking the buildings down. They are therefore about wide enough for horse and carts. Add to that people parking on each side of the street and your residential roads in cities become a nightmare to drive in, and a bigger nightmare to ever park in. You think there are a bunch of people who hate SUVs over there? You have nothing on the bile that is pushed in their direction from over here! However, despite the urge to buy one just to spite a greeny/lefty the reality is that they are stunningly impractical for general use in the UK unless you live in a rural area.

Also - we pay about $1.90 a litre for gas!


36 posted on 01/01/2008 9:24:56 AM PST by Brit_Guy
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To: Brit_Guy
Most of the policy initatives though are actually run by non elected council officers - most of our local politicians are idiots (there is no money in local politics) so give a nod and a wink to paid officials ideas as they don’t have the wit to come up with their own. I always find our local government far more ‘soviet’ than the central government (though that may just be where I live).

You are exactly on the money, my friend. In my lifetime I have seen power and authority pass in larger and larger measures from elected and accountable representatives to ever more anonymous and distanced agencies and entities. As a cowboy friend of mine put it, "The 21st Century is fixing to be a real ornery booger."

37 posted on 01/01/2008 9:44:50 AM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (A.D.D. , Me? . . . NO WAY! Hey, look at the chicken!)
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To: Stoat
Image hosted by Photobucket.com damn, my Pontiac coupe is 16' long
38 posted on 01/01/2008 10:08:58 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Stoat

If you are parking out in front of your house it is likely on public property. Pay!


39 posted on 01/01/2008 10:10:36 AM PST by RightWhale (Dean Koonz is good, but my favorite authors are Dun and Bradstreet)
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