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Latter-Day Skeptics
http://www.tnr.com/ ^ | November 20, 2007 | by Josh Patashnik

Posted on 01/01/2008 3:46:03 AM PST by Maelstorm

Mitt Romney has a well-earned reputation as a flip-flopper. But it's one thing to flip-flop on your politics, and quite another to flip-flop on your faith. So it came as something of a surprise when, during an interview earlier this year with George Stephanopoulos, the presidential candidate disputed the suggestion that Christ would someday return to the United States rather than the Middle East. Mormons, he said, believe "that the Messiah will come to Jerusalem. ... It's the same as the other Christian tradition."

Mormons Against Romney.
Mormons Against Romney.

This was both technically correct and completely misleading: The church's position is that, while Christ will indeed appear at the Mount of Olives, he will also build a new Jerusalem in Jackson County, Missouri, which will serve as the seat of his 1,000-year reign on Earth. Romney had conveniently neglected to mention this part of his church's doctrine.

Needless to say, his fellow Mormons were none too pleased. "Brother Romney is playing a little bit of a political game with his answer," one church official told Lee Benson of the Deseret Morning News--in a column noting that Romney's comment had "caused more than a few members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints ... to scratch their heads as if to say, 'What the flip?'" Callers to a Utah talk-radio show lambasted the candidate for misrepresenting church teachings. And the Mormon blogosphere--known as the Bloggernacle--buzzed with discussion of the quote. One post on the blog Mormon Mentality condemned Romney for being "evasive," while another complained, "If he were so proud to be a Mormon, he should tell the truth."

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It seems that real conservative and proud Mormons see what I see. A man afraid of his religion. At least the Huckmeister isn't ashamed of being baptist.
1 posted on 01/01/2008 3:46:05 AM PST by Maelstorm
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To: Maelstorm

Its good to see this entire campaign swing on religion....rather than immigration control, taxes, the economy, or Iraq. I’m having doubts that we can convince 75 percent of the voting sector in November of taking the religious battle serious...so watch the swing to blue states, and start thinking on 2012 as the next real opportunity to pub a Republican in office.


2 posted on 01/01/2008 3:54:33 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: Maelstorm

I am confused, do you want a man to be president or pass some sort of sunday school quiz?


3 posted on 01/01/2008 4:20:49 AM PST by Bushwacker777
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To: Bushwacker777

I just want a man to be honest. It is that simple. We have enough clowns who act like scared school girls in front of the press or talk like they have a mine field of truth to avoid. If we nominate someone like Mitt it won’t be his religion or lack there of that will end him it will be a slew of other things. The running away from Reagan’s Legacy, the adopting of the Hillary Clinton Heath care plan, the supporting gay boyscouts. You had better bet religion will matter and you can be certain his religion will be a focus in all those blue states and red states.

If he can’t seem to figure out whether or not he saw his Dad or imagined his Dad walking with Martin Luther King Jr. he better learn to temper is recollections because he is showing the symptoms of John Kerry and Bill Clinton. If he is already manifesting such behaviors we can be assured we will have a full serving of them later on.

We don’t have to serve up an ex Massachusetts governor or an Arkansas retred. We have real solid conservatives running lets make the primary about picking a leader not a suit or a cute catch phrase.


4 posted on 01/01/2008 4:31:16 AM PST by Maelstorm (Are we doomed to nominate Mitt Romney? (The GOP John Kerry of 08))
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To: Maelstorm
"We have real solid conservatives running lets make the primary about picking a leader not a suit or a cute catch phrase.

Agree, but it looks like we're going to pick the cutest one instead.

5 posted on 01/01/2008 4:52:23 AM PST by n230099 ("If you don't blame the camera for porn, then don't blame the gun for shootings". (Unknown))
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To: Maelstorm

The ONLY purpose of Romney’s religion in this campaign
has been to protect HIM from criticism while he and his
campaign lie and do their dirty tricks.


6 posted on 01/01/2008 6:05:30 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: Maelstorm

And that’s just his position this week...

There will be a “clarification” shortly.


7 posted on 01/01/2008 6:20:40 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Maelstorm

His “Jerusalem” answer was both technically correct and completely misleading, and that’s 100% Romney. You’ll never get a truer look at the real Willard. “Technically correct” isn’t just how he lives, it’s who he is.


8 posted on 01/01/2008 6:35:52 AM PST by flowerplough (Thompson should be the next president and Reagan should be the next face on Mt. Rushmore)
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A man afraid of his religion

With all the people blasting his religion , it's no wonder he is reluctant to talk about it.

Second thread this morning I've run across by you blasting LDS.

I'm voting for who I think will be the best president not theologian.

I will feel a heck of a lot better with Mitt at the top instead of the Baptist 'minister' Huck.
( I'm Protestant BTW and not a Mitt supporter, just really, really, fed up with the LDS bashing on FR)

9 posted on 01/01/2008 7:07:00 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

How important is honesty to you?


10 posted on 01/01/2008 7:09:12 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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If you want to bring up Mitt’s flip-flopping that’s fine and fair game.

Leave his religious beliefs alone.

IMHO there is absolutely nothing in the Mormon faith that we need to be concerned about.


11 posted on 01/01/2008 7:22:34 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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Much ado about nothing.


12 posted on 01/01/2008 7:27:40 AM PST by webboy45
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To: Bushwacker777

***I am confused, do you want a man to be president or pass some sort of sunday school quiz?****

For a man who might just end up leading the most powerful nation in the world and whose decisions might be tainted by his spiritual beliefs, you better be sure what he believes!

The early Americans forbade religious tests to hold office. That was when the major religions were ,Episcopal, Presbyterian, Baptist and Catholic.

Since those days many WIERD groups have come into existance. Would you want a Scientologist or occultist making decisions at a national level?


13 posted on 01/01/2008 7:29:13 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Only infidel blood can quench Muslim thirst-- Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri)
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To: Vinnie
Leave his religious beliefs alone

I have no interest in that. But if he is willing to lie about something as irrelevant (in your mind) as his religion, what else is he willing to lie about?

14 posted on 01/01/2008 7:46:22 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Maelstorm
Getting our "news" from The New Republic, are we?
That's a laugh.
15 posted on 01/01/2008 8:07:45 AM PST by frankenMonkey (101st Army Dad)
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To: AppyPappy
But if he is willing to lie about something as irrelevant (in your mind) as his religion, what else is he willing to lie about?

I avoid these Mitt/LDS threads usually so I'm not familiar with his 'lies' concerning the Mormon faith.

But if you are referring to his statements that don't follow the Mormon doctrine I say so what.

How many Catholics use birth control methods other than the rhythm method? Plenty.
My religion, Presbyterian, is a member of the World Council of Churches, an organization I have problems with.

If Mormons want to believe that Christ came to the New World after his Resurrection, I don't care.
Again I say So What.

16 posted on 01/01/2008 8:09:45 AM PST by Vinnie (You're Nobody 'Til Somebody Jihads You)
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To: Vinnie

I stand with you!


17 posted on 01/01/2008 8:12:07 AM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Diogenesis
The ONLY purpose of Romney’s religion in this campaign has been to protect HIM from criticism while he and his campaign lie and do their dirty tricks.

I am a Mormon and I could not agree with you more.

Those who waste time and energy whaling on the non issue of religion are giving Mitt cover on conservative issues that would kill him (politically) if we could ever get past the religion stuff.

come on Mitt on none of that gets discussed because we have a group that only wants to discuss his religion.

IMHO, the only two conservatives in the race are Thompson and Hunter. Personally, I am supporting Thompson, Go Fred, lets judge people on their conservative credentials, please?
18 posted on 01/01/2008 8:24:53 AM PST by DelphiUser ("You can lead a man to knowledge, but you can't make him think")
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To: Vinnie
How many Catholics use birth control methods other than the rhythm method? Plenty.

I have no problem with that UNLESS they claim that all other methods but the rhythm method are wrong.

If Mormons want to believe that Christ came to the New World after his Resurrection, I don't care.

I agree UNLESS Mitt says when doesn't believe that when he really does,.

19 posted on 01/01/2008 9:24:05 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Maelstorm

Huckabee has surged because he won a couple of debates and he’s got evangelical support. If a quick rise can happen to the liberal pro-life evangelical Huckster, it can happen to the conservative pro-life evangelical Hunter.

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According to Intrade, the winner of the December 12th GOP debate was... Duncan Hunter.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1938773/posts

Why the smart money is on Duncan Hunter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1926032/posts

In this poll Hunter is up 3% and even with Paul and Thompson.
http://www.wxyz.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=3481ef60-8195-46a9-af04-b87b907bcfdd


20 posted on 01/01/2008 9:53:06 AM PST by Kevmo (We should withdraw from Iraq — via Tehran. And Duncan Hunter is just the man to get that job done.)
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